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I've read the old testament front to back. It's stupid. Like really it's crazy stupid. You think it's truth so you go ahead and try to validate it. Meanwhile I will just lol


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you're too hard on other people, not so with yourself. "Truth" is something, generally, that cannot be credited to the inner workings of the human brain. "Truth" is what is "out there" in the universe that "just is".

Reminds me of the hapless condition of liberals, like Bill Clinton, who live on the edge of sanity, if in any way contacting it at all, who can hang their hat on verbiage like "depends on what the meaning of "is" is."

It is probably most accurate to state that we humans haven't got a clue what "is" is. Thence, of course, we don't have a clue what "truth" is, either.

However, I sense you reject the OT because you listened to some Baptists or maybe Mormons declaring that the Bible is the word of God, with or without the caveat "as far as it is translated correctly", and figured out the mortal humans actually wrote it, albeit in their finest effort to produce a cohesive faithful defense of their place in the eye of God.

When you read the newspaper, or watch the news, do you get your hackles up half so high? When you attend a college course do you feel compelled to reject the prof? and the text, entirely out of hand and just hoot at it all?

nah, you wanna believe the bible is just stupid, so that's what you look for.

I, on the other hand, for all my hooting at the profs and scientists, the newspapers and the TV priesthood, can still find a lot of good stuff in the Bible.
 
There is not ONE SINGLE contradiction in the Hebrew scriptures! The list of "so-called" contradictions are either bogus or easily explained by reading the context or other verses that shed light on the matter! So, let's begin! You pick out one of those "contradictions" and then give me 5 minutes to show you where your wrong!

This one is about killing. Should be fun. \m/



Oh and pleasse explain each and every passage of god saying it's ok to kill the innocent. Your five mins starts now.

dont bother (s)alt13 is a closes minded poster
 
you're too hard on other people, not so with yourself.

Not true. I'm way harder on myself than I am with others. I've just been dealing with myself a lot longer than other people have so I have learned how to deal with it. I'll try to tone it down a bit.

"Truth" is something, generally, that cannot be credited to the inner workings of the human brain. "Truth" is what is "out there" in the universe that "just is".

I'm not sure truth is anything other than a silly word.

Reminds me of the hapless condition of liberals, like Bill Clinton, who live on the edge of sanity, if in any way contacting it at all, who can hang their hat on verbiage like "depends on what the meaning of "is" is."

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It is probably most accurate to state that we humans haven't got a clue what "is" is. Thence, of course, we don't have a clue what "truth" is, either.

I think we can agree there.

However, I sense you reject the OT because you listened to some Baptists or maybe Mormons declaring that the Bible is the word of God, with or without the caveat "as far as it is translated correctly", and figured out the mortal humans actually wrote it, albeit in their finest effort to produce a cohesive faithful defense of their place in the eye of God.

Not at all. My parents share views much like your own. They don't think the bible is the word of god. They think it was written by mortal imperfect people. Among my prized possessions is a copy of the bible that was given to me by my grandmother whom I loved deeply. Honestly I read it. Ooops I can't see how anyone can read the OT and not find it to be immoral, disturbing, and inconsistent.
When you read the newspaper, or watch the news, do you get your hackles up half so high? When you attend a college course do you feel compelled to reject the prof? and the text, entirely out of hand and just hoot at it all?

I hackle even harder at the news. The old lady wants to pull her hair out half the time. I hoot in courses where it's appropriate. Who said I rejected the OT out of hand? I rejected it after considering it.
nah, you wanna believe the bible is just stupid, so that's what you look for.

I, on the other hand, for all my hooting at the profs and scientists, the newspapers and the TV priesthood, can still find a lot of good stuff in the Bible.

I'm not nearly as angry about it as you think I am. I celebrate Christmas and Easter with my family. That's really an understatement. I attend 4 christmas parties and 2 Easters. I sing the songs and my daughter has even participated in a nativity play. My whole family knows I don't believe(and I'm not alone in that) but it doesn't matter.

Still though I think the bible can be dangerous. Those that promote the truth of it, especially those that make a habit of using it to validate their own bigotry will get nothing but my contempt.
 
Not true. I'm way harder on myself than I am with others. I've just been dealing with myself a lot longer than other people have so I have learned how to deal with it. I'll try to tone it down a bit.



I'm not sure truth is anything other than a silly word.



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I think we can agree there.



Not at all. My parents share views much like your own. They don't think the bible is the word of god. They think it was written by mortal imperfect people. Among my prized possessions is a copy of the bible that was given to me by my grandmother whom I loved deeply. Honestly I read it. Ooops I can't see how anyone can read the OT and not find it to be immoral, disturbing, and inconsistent.


I hackle even harder at the news. The old lady wants to pull her hair out half the time. I hoot in courses where it's appropriate. Who said I rejected the OT out of hand? I rejected it after considering it.


I'm not nearly as angry about it as you think I am. I celebrate Christmas and Easter with my family. That's really an understatement. I attend 4 christmas parties and 2 Easters. I sing the songs and my daughter has even participated in a nativity play. My whole family knows I don't believe(and I'm not alone in that) but it doesn't matter.

Still though I think the bible can be dangerous. Those that promote the truth of it, especially those that make a habit of using it to validate their own bigotry will get nothing but my contempt.

The Bible represents an age of "progressive" human efforts. I'm sure it won't look any stupider in the long run than our last 150 years of secular humanism/social progressive political movements. My point is to judge it in the context of the available alternatives of the age. . . you know, the barbarian hordes looting and burning and pulling down all the older piles of stone representing predecessor "progressives".

Concepts like invoking a higher authority than our own perogatives, putting laws into place hoping to curb abuses of the day, civilly-speaking, the ten commandments, and concepts like justice having enduring and absolute values. . . .

It was the text of emerging human conscience. . . . codified for mass consumption. Not entirely a bad aspiration. . .
 
The Bible represents an age of "progressive" human efforts. I'm sure it won't look any stupider in the long run than our last 150 years of secular humanism/social progressive political movements. My point is to judge it in the context of the available alternatives of the age. . . you know, the barbarian hordes looting and burning and pulling down all the older piles of stone representing predecessor "progressives".

Concepts like invoking a higher authority than our own perogatives, putting laws into place hoping to curb abuses of the day, civilly-speaking, the ten commandments, and concepts like justice having enduring and absolute values. . . .

It was the text of emerging human conscience. . . . codified for mass consumption. Not entirely a bad aspiration. . .

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_literature
 
This one is about killing. Should be fun. \m/



Oh and pleasse explain each and every passage of god saying it's ok to kill the innocent. Your five mins starts now.

God ****ing dammit this is the ****ing blowout of the century. This **** is ****ing hilarious. Gold I tell ya, pure gold.


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This one is about killing. Should be fun. \m/



Oh and pleasse explain each and every passage of god saying it's ok to kill the innocent.

In the ancient past, God viewed warfare as a legitimate means of bringing an end to various forms of oppression and wickedness. But it was God—not humans—who rightfully determined when such war-fare was to take place and who was to be involved. And did God wage war eagerly, in a bloodthirsty way? Quite the contrary. He actually hates violence!(Psalm 11:5)

The Israelite's were directly instructed by God to act as executioners of his righteous judgments against demon-worshiping peoples, whose worship included gross sexual immorality and child sacrifice.—Deuteronomy 7:1-5; 2*Chronicles*28:3. Did this include the removing or killing of so-called "innocent" ones, even children?

“Offshoot” or “bough” are used in the Scriptures to denote a son or offspring, a descendant. (Mal 4:1) Destruction leaving neither root nor bough symbolizes the wiping out of the family or of all of a certain kind, or complete destruction beyond possibility of revival. (compare Isa 5:24; Ho 9:16.)

So, there is NO CONTRADICTIONS WHATSOEVER in any of those cited verses you used in the Hebrew Scriptures! The so-called "innocent" were not innocent in God's eyes and thus there removal was justified AT THAT TIME!

...next apparent contradiction please!
 
In the ancient past, God viewed warfare as a legitimate means of bringing an end to various forms of oppression and wickedness. But it was God—not humans—who rightfully determined when such war-fare was to take place and who was to be involved. And did God wage war eagerly, in a bloodthirsty way? Quite the contrary. He actually hates violence!(Psalm 11:5)

The Israelite's were directly instructed by God to act as executioners of his righteous judgments against demon-worshiping peoples, whose worship included gross sexual immorality and child sacrifice.—Deuteronomy 7:1-5; 2*Chronicles*28:3. Did this include the removing or killing of so-called "innocent" ones, even children?

“Offshoot” or “bough” are used in the Scriptures to denote a son or offspring, a descendant. (Mal 4:1) Destruction leaving neither root nor bough symbolizes the wiping out of the family or of all of a certain kind, or complete destruction beyond possibility of revival. (compare Isa 5:24; Ho 9:16.)

So, there is NO CONTRADICTIONS WHATSOEVER in any of those cited verses you used in the Hebrew Scriptures! The so-called "innocent" were not innocent in God's eyes and thus there removal was justified AT THAT TIME!

...next apparent contradiction please!


dont bother with salt

you have 2 kind of idiots
1.idiots who view science as absolute truthcus lets face it science is always right derp
2. idiots who think the world is 6000 year old cus lets face it the bible is always translated right Derp


salt is the 1st!

so save your breathe
 
dont bother with salt

you have 2 kind of idiots
1.idiots who view science as absolute truthcus lets face it science is always right derp
2. idiots who think the world is 6000 year old cus lets face it the bible is always translated right Derp


salt is the 1st!ies
so save your breathe

....I got plenty of breath and the Bible has been translated correctly over the centuries to reflect the exact Word of God under inspiration! The use of the word "day" in Genesis is not limited to a 24 hour period...just as our English word for "day" does not always mean a 24 hr period or day! "Back in my father's day" could mean 60 years ago! "Harvest day" is not 24 hours.....a work "day" could mean 8 hours, 12 hours or even 4 hours....as you might go home early and then go fishing! Just as our working days can vary in length, so the "working" days of the Genesis account could and did vary in length!
 
....I got plenty of breath and the Bible has been translated correctly over the centuries to reflect the exact Word of God under inspiration! The use of the word "day" in Genesis is not limited to a 24 hour period...just as our English word for "day" does not always mean a 24 hr period or day! "Back in my father's day" could mean 60 years ago! "Harvest day" is not 24 hours.....a work "day" could mean 8 hours, 12 hours or even 4 hours....as you might go home early and then go fishing! Just as our working days can vary in length, so the "working" days of the Genesis account could and did vary in length!

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
 
In the ancient past, God viewed warfare as a legitimate means of bringing an end to various forms of oppression and wickedness. But it was God—not humans—who rightfully determined when such war-fare was to take place and who was to be involved. And did God wage war eagerly, in a bloodthirsty way? Quite the contrary. He actually hates violence!(Psalm 11:5)

The Israelite's were directly instructed by God to act as executioners of his righteous judgments against demon-worshiping peoples, whose worship included gross sexual immorality and child sacrifice.—Deuteronomy 7:1-5; 2*Chronicles*28:3. Did this include the removing or killing of so-called "innocent" ones, even children?

“Offshoot” or “bough” are used in the Scriptures to denote a son or offspring, a descendant. (Mal 4:1) Destruction leaving neither root nor bough symbolizes the wiping out of the family or of all of a certain kind, or complete destruction beyond possibility of revival. (compare Isa 5:24; Ho 9:16.)

So, there is NO CONTRADICTIONS WHATSOEVER in any of those cited verses you used in the Hebrew Scriptures! The so-called "innocent" were not innocent in God's eyes and thus there removal was justified AT THAT TIME!

...next apparent contradiction please!
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ISIS much? They weren't innocent! Their parents didn't worship the way we did so genocide was clearly acceptable. God didn't command the killing of innocent children. He commanded the killing of evil children. Not innocent so no contradiction derpa derpa derpa

"At that time" is actually a good point and it is the original one I made. The OT belongs in a museum.
 
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ISIS much? They weren't innocent! Their parents didn't worship the way we did so genocide was clearly acceptable. God didn't command the killing of innocent children. He commanded the killing of evil children. Not innocent so no contradiction derpa derpa derpa

"At that time" is actually a good point and it is the original one I made. The OT belongs in a museum.

human arrogance and intolerance are older than the Bible.

The value of the Bible, and the study of it, is the insight it can give us into our human nature, which has not changed throughout the ages. When you look into the Bible, you should see yourself, and see what is wrong with you, and see what some people can do to become better humans.

The Bible is really the root of human progress. When we chronicle what we do, we preserve an example that can be understood by future generations.

Even Dostoyevsky, and Solzhenitsyn, have a similar beneficial value, because they chronicled the path of totalitarian phony "communism", which was a special brand of fascism/statism much like what our present-day "progressives" are all excited about. If we give them the power to re-enact godless totalitarian statism dyed in ideological ********, we will destroy for a season the liberty that has produced the wonders of the United States, which for all its failings, is better than any other "experiment" in government.

As Lincoln said. . . "We are gathered here to prove whether government of the people, by the people, and for the people can long endure."
 
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