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Images from Gobekli Tepe. 12,000 year old monumental art....
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I don't know anything about the following, but posting for those fans of matching up archaeology with Biblical accounts. I doubt I would agree with this, but I suspect it's jumping to conclusions...
https://thehologrid.wordpress.com/2...-tepe-the-tower-of-babel-and-the-saturn-myth/
Gobekli Tepe, the world's first temple, the movie. (Note: some of it needs to be translated, unfortunately)
https://gobeklitepe.info/worldsfirsttemple-com-the-movie-on-gobeklitepe.html
"“Everyone and everything has a story to tell”… That’s how the “Gobeklitepe – The World’s First Temple” film begins, and appropriately so. What we have here is a magnificent story that takes history of humanity back another 6,000 years. Consider all the time that has passed from ancient Sumer up to now… then go as much back in time. That is the time period this film is covering… and we are not talking about cave men here either. What we are looking at is a temple complex so impeccably preserved, and with evidence so clear, that it might as well have been carved yesterday. Göbeklitepe, Urfa-Turkey. The world’s first temple, dating 12,000 years back.
The film concentrates on scientific data, and throws in expert opinion on matters such as archeology, astronomy, mysticism, religion, and history. This process is covered by interviews with experts close to the project, as well as those who can look at it from a wider angle, as to the whys and hows. Klaus Schmidt (archeologist and head of the Göbeklitepe excavation) Metin Bobaroğlu (philosoper and mystic), B.G. Sidharth (astronomer and physicist) are some of them."
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What are ya gonna do, really? The dates are real, and it's thousands of years older then Egypt. Do we really know the true history of man on this planet? I think there are many, many surprises in store for us. We know some things. But there is certainly more that we don't know. The existence of Gobekli Tepe stunned prehistorians. It absolutely stunned them. This place is not supposed to exist, yet, exist it does.
When you listen to the German archaeologist describing how the narrative of prehistory changes with dramatic discoveries overturning conventional wisdom, you can perhaps appreciate that prehistory as described is a narrative that changes with each new discovery. But it's illuminating to see it as narrative. Because critics dismiss the Bible as a "narrative". Even though we know how often archaeology in fact supports descriptions in that "narrative". But there is a tendency to look at what evolutionary science, physical anthropology, and scientific archaeology has to say as somehow less narrative, more "based in truth". But in fact it never leaves that narrative stage completely.
We can never know the past completely and our narratives can sometimes look woefully incomplete when new discoveries overturn convention.
And hence earlier narratives, presented as "truth" by a scientific discipline, archaeology, can be....wrong. "Nobody before Clovis" was sacrosanct for decades. And it was also woefully mistaken the entire time.
I'm speaking here in favor of understanding the limitations of scientific efforts at examining the past. Prehistory, like Science, should be self correcting. Things should be seen as the temporary narratives or versions they will always be, so long as there is anything new to learn about the distant past. Archaeology and prehistory studies may present as scientific, and certainly the methodology conforms to scientific standard, but the overviews created do indeed have a story-like aspect to them. We create the narratives that we believe the data obtained by scientific method provides us. The trick, in part, is to understand a perspective an old professor of mine had. He would start each class on Asian History with the refrain "History is bull****"!!!. I'm sure some were puzzled, but I understood what he meant. It's all just a story we tell. A narrative that creates a version of the past. Archaeology is self correcting. But, because it is a business conducted by humans, that self correcting mechanism can get very contentious. Not that there's anything wrong with that
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I don't know anything about the following, but posting for those fans of matching up archaeology with Biblical accounts. I doubt I would agree with this, but I suspect it's jumping to conclusions...
https://thehologrid.wordpress.com/2...-tepe-the-tower-of-babel-and-the-saturn-myth/
Gobekli Tepe, the world's first temple, the movie. (Note: some of it needs to be translated, unfortunately)
https://gobeklitepe.info/worldsfirsttemple-com-the-movie-on-gobeklitepe.html
"“Everyone and everything has a story to tell”… That’s how the “Gobeklitepe – The World’s First Temple” film begins, and appropriately so. What we have here is a magnificent story that takes history of humanity back another 6,000 years. Consider all the time that has passed from ancient Sumer up to now… then go as much back in time. That is the time period this film is covering… and we are not talking about cave men here either. What we are looking at is a temple complex so impeccably preserved, and with evidence so clear, that it might as well have been carved yesterday. Göbeklitepe, Urfa-Turkey. The world’s first temple, dating 12,000 years back.
The film concentrates on scientific data, and throws in expert opinion on matters such as archeology, astronomy, mysticism, religion, and history. This process is covered by interviews with experts close to the project, as well as those who can look at it from a wider angle, as to the whys and hows. Klaus Schmidt (archeologist and head of the Göbeklitepe excavation) Metin Bobaroğlu (philosoper and mystic), B.G. Sidharth (astronomer and physicist) are some of them."
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What are ya gonna do, really? The dates are real, and it's thousands of years older then Egypt. Do we really know the true history of man on this planet? I think there are many, many surprises in store for us. We know some things. But there is certainly more that we don't know. The existence of Gobekli Tepe stunned prehistorians. It absolutely stunned them. This place is not supposed to exist, yet, exist it does.
When you listen to the German archaeologist describing how the narrative of prehistory changes with dramatic discoveries overturning conventional wisdom, you can perhaps appreciate that prehistory as described is a narrative that changes with each new discovery. But it's illuminating to see it as narrative. Because critics dismiss the Bible as a "narrative". Even though we know how often archaeology in fact supports descriptions in that "narrative". But there is a tendency to look at what evolutionary science, physical anthropology, and scientific archaeology has to say as somehow less narrative, more "based in truth". But in fact it never leaves that narrative stage completely.
We can never know the past completely and our narratives can sometimes look woefully incomplete when new discoveries overturn convention.
And hence earlier narratives, presented as "truth" by a scientific discipline, archaeology, can be....wrong. "Nobody before Clovis" was sacrosanct for decades. And it was also woefully mistaken the entire time.
I'm speaking here in favor of understanding the limitations of scientific efforts at examining the past. Prehistory, like Science, should be self correcting. Things should be seen as the temporary narratives or versions they will always be, so long as there is anything new to learn about the distant past. Archaeology and prehistory studies may present as scientific, and certainly the methodology conforms to scientific standard, but the overviews created do indeed have a story-like aspect to them. We create the narratives that we believe the data obtained by scientific method provides us. The trick, in part, is to understand a perspective an old professor of mine had. He would start each class on Asian History with the refrain "History is bull****"!!!. I'm sure some were puzzled, but I understood what he meant. It's all just a story we tell. A narrative that creates a version of the past. Archaeology is self correcting. But, because it is a business conducted by humans, that self correcting mechanism can get very contentious. Not that there's anything wrong with that
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