DutchJazzer
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btw you gotta thank the bible for your freedom and constitution.
GOD GIVEN RIGHTS!
other countries have king and queen given rights
GOD GIVEN RIGHTS!
other countries have king and queen given rights
Evolution - A serious question.
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DutchJazzer
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how do "evolutionist" explain their ethics and morality?
carolinajazz
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Finding the True Sense of Biblical Passages
Modern critics say that the Bible is unscientific and contradictory, that it is just a collection of myths. Jesus, on the other hand, said: “Your [God’s] word is truth.” (John 17:17) The evidence supports Jesus rather than the critics. The facts show that the Bible is historically truthful. Moreover, its remarkable harmony, its true prophecies, its deep wisdom, and its power for good in people’s lives all demonstrate that the Bible is the written Word of God. As the apostle Paul wrote: “All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial.”—2*Timothy 3:16.
Galileo believed the Bible to be true. When his scientific discoveries contradicted the prevailing interpretation of certain Bible verses, he reasoned that theologians were missing the true sense of the passages. After all, “two truths can never contradict one another,” he wrote. He suggested that the precise terms of science do not contradict the everyday words of the Bible. But theologians would not let themselves be persuaded. They insisted that all Biblical statements about the earth are to be taken literally. As a result, not only did they reject Galileo’s discoveries but they also missed the true sense of such Scriptural expressions.
Really, common sense should tell us that when the Bible refers to “the four corners of the earth,” it does not mean that the Bible writers understood the earth to be literally square. (Revelation 7:1) The Bible is written in the language of ordinary people, often using vivid figures of speech. So when it speaks of the earth as having “four corners,” a durable “foundation,” “pedestals,” and a “cornerstone,” the Bible is not offering a scientific description of the earth; obviously it is speaking metaphorically, as we often do in daily speech.—Isaiah 51:13; Job 38:6.
In his book Galileo Galilei, biographer L. Geymonat noted: “Narrow-minded theologians who wanted to limit science on the basis of biblical reasoning would do nothing but cast discredit upon the Bible itself.” That they did. Actually, it was the theologians’ interpretation of the Bible—not the Bible itself—that put unreasonable constraints on science.
Similarly, religious fundamentalists today distort the Bible when they insist that the earth was created in six 24-hour days. (Genesis 1:3-31) Such a view agrees neither with science nor with the Bible. In the Bible, as in everyday speech, the word “day” is a flexible term, expressing units of time of varying lengths. At Genesis 2:4, all six creative days are referred to as one all-embracing “day.” The Hebrew word translated “day” in the Bible can simply mean “a long time.” So, there is no Biblical reason to insist that the days of creation were 24 hours each. By teaching otherwise, fundamentalists misrepresent the Bible.—See also 2*Peter 3:8.
Modern critics say that the Bible is unscientific and contradictory, that it is just a collection of myths. Jesus, on the other hand, said: “Your [God’s] word is truth.” (John 17:17) The evidence supports Jesus rather than the critics. The facts show that the Bible is historically truthful. Moreover, its remarkable harmony, its true prophecies, its deep wisdom, and its power for good in people’s lives all demonstrate that the Bible is the written Word of God. As the apostle Paul wrote: “All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial.”—2*Timothy 3:16.
Galileo believed the Bible to be true. When his scientific discoveries contradicted the prevailing interpretation of certain Bible verses, he reasoned that theologians were missing the true sense of the passages. After all, “two truths can never contradict one another,” he wrote. He suggested that the precise terms of science do not contradict the everyday words of the Bible. But theologians would not let themselves be persuaded. They insisted that all Biblical statements about the earth are to be taken literally. As a result, not only did they reject Galileo’s discoveries but they also missed the true sense of such Scriptural expressions.
Really, common sense should tell us that when the Bible refers to “the four corners of the earth,” it does not mean that the Bible writers understood the earth to be literally square. (Revelation 7:1) The Bible is written in the language of ordinary people, often using vivid figures of speech. So when it speaks of the earth as having “four corners,” a durable “foundation,” “pedestals,” and a “cornerstone,” the Bible is not offering a scientific description of the earth; obviously it is speaking metaphorically, as we often do in daily speech.—Isaiah 51:13; Job 38:6.
In his book Galileo Galilei, biographer L. Geymonat noted: “Narrow-minded theologians who wanted to limit science on the basis of biblical reasoning would do nothing but cast discredit upon the Bible itself.” That they did. Actually, it was the theologians’ interpretation of the Bible—not the Bible itself—that put unreasonable constraints on science.
Similarly, religious fundamentalists today distort the Bible when they insist that the earth was created in six 24-hour days. (Genesis 1:3-31) Such a view agrees neither with science nor with the Bible. In the Bible, as in everyday speech, the word “day” is a flexible term, expressing units of time of varying lengths. At Genesis 2:4, all six creative days are referred to as one all-embracing “day.” The Hebrew word translated “day” in the Bible can simply mean “a long time.” So, there is no Biblical reason to insist that the days of creation were 24 hours each. By teaching otherwise, fundamentalists misrepresent the Bible.—See also 2*Peter 3:8.
So the Bible is true because the Bible says so?
Dang, I'm so convinced right now.
carolinajazz
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...the Bible is true because, Science, Archaeology, fulfilled prophecy ...along with the fact that it says it's the "inspired" infallible word of God, makes it so! Now, those who believe in evolution....there the ones that have no proof whatsoever, are extremely gullible ( born yesterday, wet behind the ears, influenced by various unconscious assumptions) and have blind faith beyond human comprehension!
Science doesn't do anything to prove the validity of the Bible. Doesn't faith require that you do not have proof? God wants you to believe in things that are not and cannot be proven, because he needs you to prove to him that you have faith. This is the snake oil salesman trick and the fortune tellers "you have to believe it will work for it to work" trick rolled into one.
The fact that the Bible gets the locations of ancient cities right has absolutely nothing to do with weather or not the supernatural claims are right or wrong. The two things are not even remotely related.
Hey CJ, Provo is south of Salt Lake and north from Beaver, and I sayeth that flying spaghetti monster invented science. Are you convinced yet?
Bawse Dawg
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Pretty clear line most of the time between good and bad. If not for religion would you just be a thief and murderer with no values? You rely on religion to tell you that such things are bad? you couldn't just figure it out for yourself?
How pathetic.
NAOS
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pretty clear line when it comes to whether or not it's worth engaging with Dutchjazzer.
In real life, we're confronted daily with moral dilemmas that are far more complicated than "is murdering children for fun wrong?". Which is why we have debates about death penalty, abortion, drug laws, and countless other issues. I don't agree at all that morality is that laughably simple.
Disclaimer: This is in no way an endorsement of Dutch's ridiculous comment, or of the role of religion in moral discourse.
RJF
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I'll reply to yours since dutchrudder is on my ignore list:
When I do good, I feel good. when I do bad, I feel bad; that is my religion. It's a misnomer to Abe Lincoln so I'm not sure who actually said it.
Not a very useful moral code at all. What feels good or bad is different for different people. For serial killers, killing is the best feeling ever!
They are result, in part, of being societal animals.