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Evolution - A serious question.

So wrong. Like calling Hitler jew loving.

au contrair.
he was a devoit religious guy, he did not truly understand his religion.
then his daughter/son died at age of 4(forgot if was a son or daughter).
he pleaded to god to save his child, but "god" did not.
so he swore revenge.


he ignored religious text. and started this whole science vs religion debate.

if he was smart he would have noticed they are not incompatible!
 
au contrair.
he was a devoit religious guy, he did not truly understand his religion.
then his daughter/son died at age of 4(forgot if was a son or daughter).
he pleaded to god to save his child, but "god" did not.
so he swore revenge.

I don't see any revenge or hate in his description of his quotes. And Annie was 9 year old when she died.

Darwin wrote at the time, "Our only consolation is that she passed a short, though joyous life." For three years he had deliberated about the Christian meaning of mortality. This opened a new vision of tragically circumstantial nature. His faith in Christianity had already dwindled away and he had stopped going to church. He wrote out his memories of Annie, but no longer believed in an afterlife or in salvation.
"In 1879 he wrote that "I have never been an atheist in the sense of denying the existence of a God. – I think that generally ... an agnostic would be the most correct description of my state of mind"

"Science has nothing to do with Christ, except insofar as the habit of scientific research makes a man cautious in admitting evidence. For myself, I do not believe that there ever has been any revelation. As for a future life, every man must judge for himself between conflicting vague probabilities."

"During these two years I was led to think much about religion. Whilst on board the Beagle I was quite orthodox, & I remember being heartily laughed at by several of the officers (though themselves orthodox) for quoting the Bible as an unanswerable authority on some point of morality. I suppose it was the novelty of the argument that amused them. But I had gradually come, by this time, to see that the Old Testament from its manifestly false history of the world, with the Tower of Babel, rainbow as a sign, etc., etc., and from its attributing to God the feelings of a revengeful tyrant, was no more to be trusted than the sacred books of the Hindoos, or the beliefs of any barbarian."
 
I don't see any revenge or hate in his description of his views.
"In 1879 he wrote that "I have never been an atheist in the sense of denying the existence of a God. – I think that generally ... an agnostic would be the most correct description of my state of mind"


ok
 
Here is very good example that Darwin never was at war against religion:

In 1880 there was a huge controversy when the atheist Charles Bradlaugh was elected as a member of parliament and then prevented from taking his seat in the House of Commons. In response, the secularist Edward Aveling toured the country leading protests. In October of that year Aveling wanted to dedicate his book on Darwin and his Works to Darwin and asked him for permission. Darwin declined, writing that "though I am a strong advocate for free thought on all subjects, yet it appears to me (whether rightly or wrongly) that direct arguments against Christianity & theism produce hardly any effect on the public; & freedom of thought is best promoted by the gradual illumination of men's minds, which follows from the advance of science. It has, therefore, been always my object to avoid writing on religion, & I have confined myself to science. I may, however, have been unduly biased by the pain which it would give some members of my family, if I aided in any way direct attacks on religion."
 
Here is very good example that Darwin never was at war against religion:

In 1880 there was a huge controversy when the atheist Charles Bradlaugh was elected as a member of parliament and then prevented from taking his seat in the House of Commons. In response, the secularist Edward Aveling toured the country leading protests. In October of that year Aveling wanted to dedicate his book on Darwin and his Works to Darwin and asked him for permission. Darwin declined, writing that "though I am a strong advocate for free thought on all subjects, yet it appears to me (whether rightly or wrongly) that direct arguments against Christianity & theism produce hardly any effect on the public; & freedom of thought is best promoted by the gradual illumination of men's minds, which follows from the advance of science. It has, therefore, been always my object to avoid writing on religion, & I have confined myself to science. I may, however, have been unduly biased by the pain which it would give some members of my family, if I aided in any way direct attacks on religion."


ok
its on the internet so it must be 110% true!
 
Why people argue with Dutch or CJ is beyond me. I might as well argue with my dog or the wall.
 
Here is very good example that Darwin never was at war against religion:

In 1880 there was a huge controversy when the atheist Charles Bradlaugh was elected as a member of parliament and then prevented from taking his seat in the House of Commons. In response, the secularist Edward Aveling toured the country leading protests. In October of that year Aveling wanted to dedicate his book on Darwin and his Works to Darwin and asked him for permission. Darwin declined, writing that "though I am a strong advocate for free thought on all subjects, yet it appears to me (whether rightly or wrongly) that direct arguments against Christianity & theism produce hardly any effect on the public; & freedom of thought is best promoted by the gradual illumination of men's minds, which follows from the advance of science. It has, therefore, been always my object to avoid writing on religion, & I have confined myself to science. I may, however, have been unduly biased by the pain which it would give some members of my family, if I aided in any way direct attacks on religion."

Historian Wells tells of evolutionary teaching as follows: “Prevalent people .*.*. believed that they prevailed by virtue of the Struggle for Existence, in which the strong and cunning get the better of the weak and confiding. .*.*. So it seemed right to them that the big dogs of the human pack should bully and subdue.”

Evolution provided “Christendom” with self-justification for waging brutal war. The book Evolution and Christians attributes the tragedy of the first world war in 1914 and later the evil excesses of Nazism to Darwinian teaching. In the same way, evolution must accept its share of responsibility for the rise of Communism. Karl Marx is said to have rejoiced at reading Darwin’s Origin of Species, which he described as giving “the death blow” to God. He also said: “Darwin’s book is very important and serves me as a basis for the class struggle in history.”

To this day, Communistic nations pursue their goal of world domination on the basis of the evolutionary teaching of “survival of the fittest.” Other nations join the fight for survival and the result is the massive armaments race of this nuclear age. The life of all humankind is in jeopardy.

How does this affect your own life? It can be quite damaging for you personally to get caught up in the evolution theory. If evolution were true, life would become purposeless and meaningless. It would be just the “rat race” of struggling to survive, and with only death as the final outcome. Believing in the “survival of the fittest,” the evolutionist has no incentive to love his fellowman, to live a decent moral life or to behave differently from brute beasts. Evolution is entirely negative in its effect on mankind. It cannot give a satisfactory answer to any of the questions about life.


Phillip Johnson, a professor of criminal law at the University of California at Berkeley in the United States, has long been fascinated by the way biologists defend the theory of evolution. They seem so defensive and dogmatic on the subject that Johnson set about finding out “what the vulnerable points were they’re trying to protect.” The result of his research is a book, Darwin on Trial, that The Sacramento Bee describes as “a lawyer’s examination, bit by bit, of the logic of and evidence behind the theory of evolution.” The newspaper summarizes: “Darwin flunks.” Johnson claims he found many scholars, including biologists, who are afraid to speak out publicly against evolution. “One of the things I’ve learned from this experience,” he told the San Francisco Chronicle, “is that to establish an intellectual orthodoxy and keep it beyond criticism, you don’t need concentration camps and secret police. All you have to do is say that people will laugh at you and you’ll lose your prestige. This has an enormous effect in academic life.”
 
Why people argue with Dutch or CJ is beyond me. I might as well argue with my dog or the wall.

I was basically talking to the wall, in fact. unfortunately, ipads can no longer be used on Jazzfanz, so I'm outta here, like it or not. Site is no longer compatable with ipads. I doubt iphones can post here, either. Not sure if other tablets can....
 
I was basically talking to the wall, in fact. unfortunately, ipads can no longer be used on Jazzfanz, so I'm outta here, like it or not. Site is no longer compatable with ipads. I doubt iphones can post here, either. Not sure if other tablets can....

Android having issues as well. Jason is aware of the problem and is working to fix it. I hope you stick around. I've come to like you.
 
Dutch, you're a complete moron but I love it. Seriously, can you guys imagine this board without Dutch? How much unintentional comedy would instantly be gone?

That would be a sad day for Jazzfanz.
 
Dutch, you're a complete moron but I love it. Seriously, can you guys imagine this board without Dutch? How much unintentional comedy would instantly be gone?

That would be a sad day for Jazzfanz.

Dutch is one of the more rounded out, complete and reasonable posters on this board! Most of the other posters are too politically correct to see past there noses!
 
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