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Discussion in 'Utah Jazz' started by Saint Cy of JFC, Jun 24, 2010.
KOC, is that you?
When the sun comes up tomorrow, I'm a big Gordon Hayward Fan. That's the only way you can look at it. And you never know. We'll see how long it lasts.
Bet your bottom dollar?
Well if this kid turns out to be a Mike Dunleavy type player then I like this pick. If he turns out to be like any other white 6-8 wing player in the NBA right now. I'm going to continue to be pissed that we took him over Ed Davis.
I think we're all going to need to be big Fess/Kosta fans since they're currently our only players above 6'9"
Thats a little scary.
No that a LOT scary
Did Okur shrink two inches from the injury?
No one knows if, when, and how he'll come back. Besides, he never was known as a "big" player either.
Also, for what it's worth, we only have one healthy under contract big man over 6'9" right now, Boom Bitches. Fess is a RFA.
that's pretty scary. Even when fully healthy and if we resign Fess we'll have fewer big men over 6'9" than Golden State.
I am with Honz on this one I like the pick., who knows maybe its all the green chili we eat down here. Besides all the good big guys were off the board and we took the best available, he's a winner. I liked what KOC said in his interview about him being the best player on the floor in the final four. He will be a solid player for the Jazz.
I believe Okur will come back better than ever, and stronger than ever. Rehab from this injury will be by far the hardest work he's ever done, he may actually increase his vertical from 2.5 to 3".
Did you even bother checking Korver's college stats? Tell the truth the truth. Did you or didn't you? His rebounding average might surprise you. It's really not that much different than Hayward. As far as playmaking, what are you basing this on? College stats? Again, if you want to base things on college stats (which you just did in bringing up Hayward's 8 rebounds per game in college) then be objective and use Korver's stats as well. Go ahead and look up Korver's rebounds as well.
Playmaking? Korver averaged DOUBLE Hayward's assists. As far as defense, both are lost causes in this aspect. As far as shooting and scoring, Korver beats Hayward in every single statistical category, especially 3 point %.
Name a player that has come back better with a higher vertical leap from this injury.
Korver sucks. Last year Sloan didnt even play him in a few games because he thought Korver was'nt athletic enough to be on the floor, based on the matchups. How pathetic is that?
And if Korver was supposedly better than Hayward in college, then I think we have lot to be excited about Hayward's upside. Championship, here we come
The point is, when you have a chance to add a big man with potential and decided to pick a position where we are most stacked at this point, it doesn't make any sense. Hayward may as well be averaging 20 points and winning ROY but it still doesn't change the fact that our defense is still as bad as we have been the past several seasons. Not saying picking Ed Davis or Aldrich will for sure improve our defense instantly, but at least there will be hope. Now, no hope at all. Even if the Jazz are able to get one via trade or free agency, this is yet another blown first round pick by the front office.
Factual posts about Hayward are not going to make the process of liking him easier. For that matter, we should not use facts ever in talking about Hayward. I'm sticking to the cliches. He's a 'gamer.' He's a 'team' guy. He's a 'winner.' He's got that 'something.'
They have assets, just not any that they wanted to give up for Honzward. I would have traded the pick for Russell Westbrook or Kevin Durrant. They could have even had CJ as a kicker. So if they say they didn't have the assets, it means, they really didn't want him that bad.
I guess the same thing could be said for JOC and the Jazz. They didn't want to give up what it would take to move up.
This is what the organization has been depending on for years now. Die-hard fans finding ways to delude themselves in order to avoid the emotional pain of knowing your favorite team has no shot at glory. I guess as long as fans have that deep emotional connection KOC and his goons will continue to get away with astonishing levels of incompetence with zero accountability from either the owner or the fans. What a sweet deal if you're O'Connor.
MH 226 lbs as a senior at Ga Tech
GH 211 as Soph
MH in 36 games as soph 36.9 min 51.0 fg% 42.9 3p% 76.2 ft% 8.1 reb 2.2 assists 2.4 TO 0.1 blocks 1.8 steals 18.6 points
GH in 37 games as soph 35.5 min 46.4 fg% 29.4 3p% 82.9 ft% 8.2 reb 1.7 assists 2.3 TO 0.8 blocks 1.1 steals 15.5 points
MH Scouting report- Has the right skill set to be a 3 in the NBA; he can
shoot the NBA 3-pointer and has decent rebounding ability to go with it.
Hustles all the time, very emotional player. May be limited in the NBA because
he isn't really quick enough to beat most NBA players off the dribble or to
defend most NBA 3's one-on-one. At worst a useful rotation forward; at best a
solid starter for a team that plays a lot of zone-like defenses and uses a
motion offense (Houston? Cleveland?). https://www.ibiblio.org/craig/draft/1998_draft/Players/harpring.htm
Souting report Hayward-
While his game has some scouts swearing by his ability to emerge as a Mike Miller-type complementary scorer, Hayward still has his detractors. His status as a small conference star with questionable athleticism elicits a wide spectrum of opinions when projecting him to the next level.
A large part of the variation in scouts’ sentiments about Hayward is his physical profile. While he has excellent size for a NBA small forward at, he spent a great deal of time at the power forward spot last season and lacks the prototypical athleticism that would allow him to seamlessly transition his game to the next level. He’s not terribly explosive and will have to answer some questions about his lateral quickness and defensive ability. But he also has positive attributes. He displays good speed and shows tremendous body control. His ability to use those tools to effectively complement his outstanding basketball IQ and perimeter stroke remains a subject of debate.
Looking at Hayward’s body of work, it is difficult to knock what he could bring to the table in a complementary role. Smart and savvy, he is a coach’s dream. But his lack of athleticism raises questions about his long-term potential. Hayward is being projected all over the board at this point. It will be interesting to see how his stock changes throughout the draft process.
From DraftExpress.com https://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Gordon-Hayward-5514/#ixzz0rqIL8k1r