Explosion at Josh Powell's WA home......

[babe]

I know you did that for me, but seriously, are you ****ed up right now? That made zero sense. None.

You might need a philosophy course, and maybe a theological refresher if you seriously want to understand it, but even Jay Leno would have found some use for it.

Do you really want to see someone get sympathetic and apologetic for the hapless Josh and his children, who likely would have grown up as seriously messed up as he was, and his father?

Yes you're right, I did the same thing in the context of his horrific evil deed(s) that the American people did with their liberty in the context of 9/11. And I think I might be just as wrong, and just as understandable, in the rush to place it all on the government to protect us or our children.

So here you go, I tried, I just couldn't really do it. I am driven to the extreme that people like Josh and his dad would be absolutely better off dissolved into non-existence, and that that's the most merciful and compassionate thing that could happen to them. Who would want to go on existing after that. It's pretty clear to me Josh didn't want to. I might be failing to nurture some essential charity though, for all sinners. . . .

The folks at Pacific Garden Mission, or the LDS relief/service/missionary folks, might be able to help those who can't get out of bed or tie their shoes or quit their alcohol addiction maybe, but those who kill innocent kids have already lost the essential kernal of humanity. But I think those folks who might try to serve even them in the line of christian ministration have made it pretty clear they would, like the girl who loved the ax murderer in Dostoyevsky's "Crime and Punishment", have that essential charity much better than I am feeling it right now. She said, of her love, there was no one she could give it to who needed it more.

Probably, it will be Jesus alone who can really do that for us, though.

 

[Surely]

I don't like to talk about it much, but since it kind of applies here... I was abused by a male babysitter when I was a youngling. I feel like I am a fairly "normal" person. I guess I could use it as an excuse to rob, steal, kill and plunder but I know better. A good example for me to look at is Elizabeth Smart. After hearing what that girl went through, man, if ever there was an excuse for a person to "check out" mentally, she had it. Yet you see her on tv and she is bright, happy and you would never know (that said, it could just be an act while the cameras are around, I don't know). The bottom line is crap happens, how you choose to deal with it, make adjustments in your life determines who and what you end up being. I hope that nobody misconstrues this as an attempt to defend Josh. I think the guy was insane. Only an insane person would choose to do what he did.

 

[Bronco70]

I don't like to talk about it much, but since it kind of applies here... I was abused by a male babysitter when I was a youngling. I feel like I am a fairly "normal" person. I guess I could use it as an excuse to rob, steal, kill and plunder but I know better. A good example for me to look at is Elizabeth Smart. After hearing what that girl went through, man, if ever there was an excuse for a person to "check out" mentally, she had it. Yet you see her on tv and she is bright, happy and you would never know (that said, it could just be an act while the cameras are around, I don't know). The bottom line is crap happens, how you choose to deal with it, make adjustments in your life determines who and what you end up being. I hope that nobody misconstrues this as an attempt to defend Josh. I think the guy was insane. Only an insane person would choose to do what he did.

On the contrary, I read it as an assertion that JP could have made correct choices, regardless of his past, and that hardship can be overcome.

Repped accordingly.

 

[PearlWatson]

Only an insane person would choose to do what he did.

I have a problem with this statement. There are plenty of other possibilities.
Sometimes people are just evil (have no conscience), sometimes they are influenced by drugs, sometimes they are vengeful, selfish, asses, or weak minded cowards (i.e. they have horrible moral character.)

 

[TroutBum]

You might need a philosophy course, and maybe a theological refresher if you seriously want to understand it, but even Jay Leno would have found some use for it.

Do you really want to see someone get sympathetic and apologetic for the hapless Josh and his children, who likely would have grown up as seriously messed up as he was, and his father?

Yes you're right, I did the same thing in the context of his horrific evil deed(s) that the American people did with their liberty in the context of 9/11. And I think I might be just as wrong, and just as understandable, in the rush to place it all on the government to protect us or our children.

So here you go, I tried, I just couldn't really do it. I am driven to the extreme that people like Josh and his dad would be absolutely better off dissolved into non-existence, and that that's the most merciful and compassionate thing that could happen to them. Who would want to go on existing after that. It's pretty clear to me Josh didn't want to. I might be failing to nurture some essential charity though, for all sinners. . . .

The folks at Pacific Garden Mission, or the LDS relief/service/missionary folks, might be able to help those who can't get out of bed or tie their shoes or quit their alcohol addiction maybe, but those who kill innocent kids have already lost the essential kernal of humanity. But I think those folks who might try to serve even them in the line of christian ministration have made it pretty clear they would, like the girl who loved the ax murderer in Dostoyevsky's "Crime and Punishment", have that essential charity much better than I am feeling it right now. She said, of her love, there was no one she could give it to who needed it more.

Probably, it will be Jesus alone who can really do that for us, though.

Again, this makes very little sense to me. Have you somehow decided that I am on Josh's side or that I feel like people should feel bad for him? Please. The only thing I have said in this thread is that you tards that are judging him are no better than he is. Hate the sin, love the sinner, as they say -- because you have no idea what was going on in his mind/life during all of this, and if you were in his shoes, you may have done the same thing, maybe something worse. Of course, this kind of thinking leads to terrorism, and as we all know, terrorists are all Muslims and want to take our jobs, wives, etc.

 

[PearlWatson]

you tards that are judging him are no better than he is.

The implications of that retarded statement are way beyond your grasp.

 

[Stoked]

I read in here implications that we should not be sorry for the kids. That is a farce. I do feel sorry for them. They never had a chance to experience life. they were out of the dads custody and with "normal" parents. They had a normal chance of being good people when they grew up. Sad all the way around. Just a tragedy.

 

[babe]

Again, this makes very little sense to me. Have you somehow decided that I am on Josh's side or that I feel like people should feel bad for him? Please. The only thing I have said in this thread is that you tards that are judging him are no better than he is. Hate the sin, love the sinner, as they say -- because you have no idea what was going on in his mind/life during all of this, and if you were in his shoes, you may have done the same thing, maybe something worse. Of course, this kind of thinking leads to terrorism, and as we all know, terrorists are all Muslims and want to take our jobs, wives, etc.

Well, until us "tards" flip and act out like he did, I'd say we are doing better. So far. But I agree with the generality that underlies, that unless we do actively pursue higher ideals in life, we all can degenerate to the point of losing it all, like he did. And, man, the extended sarcasm about unreasoned panic about "foreigner" terrorists sorta takes away from your case. Not that I don't do some rants like that, too.

I realize you're on a "high" from your triple double. You must be doing pretty good nowadays to be able to play like that. Better than flat out on death's door like last September. Maybe if I got out and ran hard enough to get some blood with oxygen going around in brain, I'd start making better sense.

 

[babe]

I read in here implications that we should not be sorry for the kids. That is a farce. I do feel sorry for them. They never had a chance to experience life. they were out of the dads custody and with "normal" parents. They had a normal chance of being good people when they grew up. Sad all the way around. Just a tragedy.

I gave Gojazz a well-deserved rep for this. We should nurture hope in every way we possibly can. Even if our institutions have problems, and our mass media-mediated "culture" fails entirely, our humanity should drive us to act positively somehow.

 

[TroutBum]

Well, until us "tards" flip and act out like he did, I'd say we are doing better. So far. But I agree with the generality that underlies, that unless we do actively pursue higher ideals in life, we all can degenerate to the point of losing it all, like he did. And, man, the extended sarcasm about unreasoned panic about "foreigner" terrorists sorta takes away from your case. Not that I don't do some rants like that, too.

I realize you're on a "high" from your triple double. You must be doing pretty good nowadays to be able to play like that. Better than flat out on death's door like last September. Maybe if I got out and ran hard enough to get some blood with oxygen going around in brain, I'd start making better sense.

Couple of things: First of all, thank you for dumbing this post down so I can understand it. Much appreciated. Secondly, my use of the word "tards" and the whole diatribe on terrorists was worthless, and you're right, it kind of trashed the point I was trying to make. And lastly, I don't think "high" is the right term. In fact, for most of last night I was concerned that I might just be having a heart attack. I haven't played that hard or aggressively in years and my body just wasn't used to it -- I was simply having too much fun to notice at the time. Here I am almost 16 hours later, and I can hardly walk, both of my legs are barking and when I looked at my feet this morning in the shower, my toes were actually flipping me off.

Anyhow...

The implications of that retarded statement are way beyond your grasp.

That is very possible, but I'd be more inclined to believe it if it were someone other than you telling me. I hope you choke on a turkey sandwich.

 

[PearlWatson]

The poor helpless case worker that was charged with protecting the kids is cowering in her Prius trying to make the 911 dispatcher realize that it is a life and death situation for 10 minutes. Pretty sad.

 

[Deleted member 365]

What the hell???

https://www.deseretnews.com/article...-ruffle-the-feathers-of-Josh-Powell.html?pg=1

When his father was taken to jail for investigation of voyeurism and possession of child pornography, Josh Powell had asked an aunt and uncle in Texas to take his boys "should the need arise," according to a statement released Tuesday by Maurice and Patti Leach.

The couple said they have become disillusioned with the legal system after watching the events of the more than 2-year-old case unfold.

"In our hearts and minds, we feel this family tragedy was set into motion from the beginning due in part to the various questionable government agencies' practices, religious bias, the Internet kangaroo courts, and sensationalized news media, all of whom have circumvented the laws that protect all of our rights to due process," the Leaches wrote. "Stewardship of the responsibilities that have been entrusted to those organizations and individuals has been completely compromised.

"America, this is not only a tragedy, Sunday was a dark day for all of our families," the statement continued, adding that the Leaches will hold all members of the lost Powell family in their hearts forever.

On Sunday, Josh Powell killed his children and himself after igniting gasoline he'd spread throughout his home, Washington police said. Investigators said the killings were planned and intentional. They said the 36-year-old father spent his last hours running errands, including a trip to the bank and to a gas station, where he purchased 10 gallons of gasoline and the accompanying containers that were later found charred in his home.

The Leaches said they stand by Josh Powell, citing his "great deal of restraint, with patience and dignity" in recent custody hearings, which they said came from a fear of losing his sons.