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Explosion at Josh Powell's WA home......

babe said:
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Probably nobody could do that but Jesus. But here, I'll give it a go.

Please overlook all this, all disbelievers and otherwise rational folks. . . . .

Let's suppose that all God's children waiting to come to earth and get their mortal SUVs are asking questions before signing up for the deal. "Can you guarantee that my SUV will do wheelies and leave everybody in the dust? "Can you make mine jump higher, and longer, so I can dunk on everybody anytime I want?" "Can you guarantee that I won't just crash and burn?"

"Nope. Nope. Nope"

OK, let's rephrase it on more spiritual terms. . . .

"Will my parents be good?" "Will I be White and Delightsome"? "Will people treat me right"? "Will I learn what's right?"

"Ask them when you get there, see if they'll listen to you better than they listen to me."

"To whom? You're my kid, and you'll end up looking like me, if you want to."

"Certainly not, and neither will you always treat others right. Learn from the mistakes/evil of others and try to do better. I will treat you right, I will over-rule everyone else in the end. If you will give me the faith it takes for me to be involved."

"OK, class, all I promise is to bring you home and give you the you you will choose for yourself to be;, and send you to a place you deserve in the end. Take it or leave it".

Our best pyschiatric professionals who try to understand the things that make us what we are, and how we develop under observed circumstances, probably would agree that being molested as a child by an adult authority figure is a particularly iffy thing to explain. The mind can respond in different ways, with either choice of will or particulars in the circumstance. But it is a significant trend that the abused do frequently become abusers. Kids need good parents, and there are lots of ways we can go wrong.

I figure there might be some reasons if God turns away sometimes from some nations that are getting pretty awful in their ways.

Just no way to justify sending kids into circumstances like that.

And all that said as general caveats, here's what Jesus will do for Josh, and his father. (1) In Brigham Young's judgment, dissolve them into their primal elements, destroy their identity or identiability as having anything to do with Him.

(2) In Pacific Garden Mission christianity, or maybe modern LDS christianity,warehouse them somewhere, give them shelter, books to read, chores to do, and lots of solicitous ministers to go over bible verses with them, to see if they still won't just call out for Jesus to save them from their sins, and make new men of them. . . . . after which they will help minister to the lost and damned of mankind.

I'm of divided opinion about which of these is the torment, and which is the mercy.

But I basically think we are all damned unless we get some help.

Which is why Jesus.

Now folks, back to your self-sufficiency and games.
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I stopped reading right there. You seem to be saying that believers are not rational. Correct?
 
Millsapa said:
The poor helpless case worker that was charged with protecting the kids is cowering in her Prius trying to make the 911 dispatcher realize that it is a life and death situation for 10 minutes. Pretty sad.
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To be honest I am suprised that there is not some system worked out for these case workers to get immediate assistance beyond 911. THis is not the first time a case worker has had violence happen to themselves or their charges.
 
Gojazz79 said:
To be honest I am suprised that there is not some system worked out for these case workers to get immediate assistance beyond 911. THis is not the first time a case worker has had violence happen to themselves or their charges.
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I'm surprised they think supervised visits at the "perps" house, with a case worker who has no way to protect the kids from violence, is somehow adequate.
 
Millsapa said:
I'm surprised they think supervised visits at the "perps" house, with a case worker who has no way to protect the kids from violence, is somehow adequate.
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Yup. Seems like just a complete lack of foresight and planning from top to bottom.
 
I've not seen any pictures of the case worker, but I think I've heard it's a female? She either weighs 95 pounds soaking wet or 275 pounds naked. In either situation, she's not able to protect the kids from a grown man. No matter what she does. There needs to be some serious changes to this system.
 
Gojazz79 said:
I stopped reading right there. You seem to be saying that believers are not rational. Correct?
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Let's put it this way. . . . "rational" is not an objective comprehensible term in relation to the debates between believers and non-believers. And I think non-believers just need to be respected for whatever "reasons" they have. I merely concede that the entire offering was not meant to pass muster for anyone who doesn't want to play along with the semi- or quasi-religious context, which was meant mostly to be humorous. . . . or rather an attempt at a humorous rendition of some religious themes.

If you are a believer, I can accept that you have a valid point and are entitled to take offense if you wish. It could certainly be that.

However, I am also a believer, and I struggle sometimes when trying to make a case that my beliefs are solidly "rational". I have come to accept that religion is not ultimately based on human reason. Goes along with some reservations about people making up religions in general. I'd prefer to think my religion was something God has a hand in, somehow, "inspiration" or some sort of given grace. I did try to make a point that Jesus represents the ultimate hope. And I might add, He does it without really basing it on ideology, or "reason", but on infinite love.
 
I agree with the above observations about the ineffective "protection". I bet overworked staff, underpaid personnel, out-of-control caseload, and the innocence of kids. . . . . will all be campaign fodder for more money by the bureaucracy.
No heads will roll, and the caseworker(s) involved will burst out in tears if people start asking "why".

Josh had the authorities off guard, and trying too hard to be following the book. They didn't want to blow their case. It strikes me, in hindsight, that he's spent a lifetime in ControlFreakU, under the special tutoriage of a master. It seems like he didn't need a job to sustain his needs, probably had a spigot in his dad's wallet. Privilege, probably at a price, but something he demanded from others as well. I've known a few folks who believed they couldn't be crossed with impunity.

narcissisitc and psychopathic. And capable of getting judges to give them more than the ordinary "privileges" as well.

I think I just want to feel sorry for the caseworker here.
 
Gotta love how some of his family is blaming the media, cops, Lebron, etc for Josh's acts.
 
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