Extend Favors. 3y-45mil

[idestroyedthetoilet]

You mean, the +/- stats that rely heavily on whom the player is in the rotation with?

He was using team - opponent Ortg. DM's team Ortg is +0.6 and opponent Ortg -1.2, for a combined score of 1.8.

BR uses Dean Oliver's nonsense Ortg, which is different than the NBA metric. The formula is so outlandishly long and full of assumptions that it's pretty useless, and nonsensical to plug in as a team metric to measure an individual's impact. What does team missed freethrows or team o rebounds have to do with Favors alone? How does AST_PART = 0.5 * (((Team_PTS - TM_FTM) - (PTS -FTM)) / (2 * (Team_FGA - FGA))) * AST translate into anything meaningful at all on an individual basis let alone used nonsensically in a team concept to somehow measure an individual's impact? That's just one portion of the meaningless formula. This metric tells us nothing of how utah does or does not perform while Favors is on the court as @ghsartin said it does.

 

[LogGrad98]

Fantastic. If a Tobias Harris or Middleton wants to come to SLC, count me in. But I'm skeptical. Lindsey is bidding against several other teams. Boozer was the best Utah could ever do, other than big name players on their last legs. And even at that, Boozer was a fairly unproven player and the market was just two teams: Utah and Denver. One team was going to end up with Boozer; the other with KMart.

I think the best case are players like Mirotic. In which case, Utah CAN afford to keep Favors. But I wouldn't extend him. I'd just exercise his option after Lindsey has gotten a "no" from the tier 1 and 2 FA's. Favors is the best backup center in the league. And we just saw when Gobert is hopelessly outmatched physically (which is alarming for a supposed DPOY), Favors can bring the toughness Rudy doesn't.

What really hurts is Lindsey's inability to draft good, young prospects (outside of Gobert and Mitchell). It's either a hit every three years or a complete whiff. That prevents him from bundling players in a trade. No one is going to give up all-star talent to rebuild around Exum, O'Neale, Allen, Bradley, etc.

To be fair most draft picks are "whiffs" to varying degrees. It is really a crap shoot. More than a dozen teams passed on Stockton and Malone. One passed on Jordan, the most-hyped sure-fire pick until LBJ came along. And the later you pick the worse the odds. And we typically don't pick very early in the draft. Bundling assets to move from 14 to 9 only marginally improves the odds.

 

[Stoked]

So, if we have a $15 million per year contract added to our existing team as is and we let Rubio walk then we can add a max salary player?

Not through free agency. Yes through a trade but who would you lose? And what do we have that gets us a max contract player?

Well, Favors is under contract next season already. Sign the max guy this year and then sign a bigger extension with Favors. You can go over to re-sign your guys.

 

[campaignist]

I've started to think that the Golden State model could work for Utah if it's tweaked to our roster.

Their defense, and offense, to a degree starts inside with whatever C they use and Draymond Green. that frees up the offense 1-4
to bomb away. The overall league trend is to build outside first-with Rudy and Favors, maybe Utah should build inside out.

This would mean keeping Rudy and Derrick, but upgrading a lot 1-3 on offense. So a Middleton/Mitchell/Conley-esque route. You shut teams down on the inside, then kill them on defense from SF/SG/PG and the bench. This puts Ingles, Exum, Neto, etc. on the bench so they can be more effective.

This model improves consistency all 48 minutes. A huge problem has been the offense dipping randomly in the middle of games-you solve this and that means a 3rd seed at least. There is enough cap flexibility to do this.

 

[hgb]

I always felt Favors going to the FT line was a guaranteed 1/2, but since... quite a while, he's been amazingly consistent.
Apart from a miserable November, his FT% stayed around the regular 70% until February, when he suddenly found out what he'd been doing wrong all along and popped up to 80%, and in March he's at 92.9%.

 

[fishonjazz]

I always felt Favors going to the FT line was a guaranteed 1/2, but since... quite a while, he's been amazingly consistent.
Apart from a miserable November, his FT% stayed around the regular 70% until February, when he suddenly found out what he'd been doing wrong all along and popped up to 80%, and in March he's at 92.9%.

Wow this is shocking to me. Thanks for the research/data


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[TheStormofWar]

I've started to think that the Golden State model could work for Utah if it's tweaked to our roster.

Their defense, and offense, to a degree starts inside with whatever C they use and Draymond Green. that frees up the offense 1-4
to bomb away. The overall league trend is to build outside first-with Rudy and Favors, maybe Utah should build inside out.

This would mean keeping Rudy and Derrick, but upgrading a lot 1-3 on offense. So a Middleton/Mitchell/Conley-esque route. You shut teams down on the inside, then kill them on defense from SF/SG/PG and the bench. This puts Ingles, Exum, Neto, etc. on the bench so they can be more effective.

This model improves consistency all 48 minutes. A huge problem has been the offense dipping randomly in the middle of games-you solve this and that means a 3rd seed at least. There is enough cap flexibility to do this.

Good thoughts there, but it does simply highlight Utah's lack of a three consistent shooters when Rubio is playing.

Utah has enough depth as is 2 thru 4 to do this, and tweaks to allow slotting a small ball four as necessary. Utah needs to address the PG either by moving DM to the starting PG and adding a SG or upgrading the PG. But yeah, there'll be enough cap to do this.

 

[Deleted member 848]

he's frankly having the best stretch of his career, and he's playing with a ton of confidence. he finally seems properly healthy out there.

If we can't get a Tobias, ideally you'd bring in a Bjelica or a Tolliver to bring us even more shooting at the 4.

Man o man, I wish he developed a reliable corner 3.

But-- I think I'm at the point where I'd rather spend big money upgrading at the 1/2 than the 4. Bring us Jrue.

 

[The Jazz Wonderbra]

Well, Favors is under contract next season already. Sign the max guy this year and then sign a bigger extension with Favors. You can go over to re-sign your guys.

Favors is non-guaranteed for next year. Also, with Jim on the books we cant afford a max guy unless we drop Rubio, trade others, and we have to make that decision BEFORE we get the FA to commit. So... simply letting favors and Rubio go is the easiest path to financial flexibility necessary to get a max salary fa.

We cant have our cake and eat it too because once he is let go, he likely will sign elsewhere.

 

[Ron Mexico]

Reading through Lowes 10 things he posted a bunch about Ingles and Favors duo. The stat that he posted that jumped out to me though is that Favors is leading the NBA in rim protection. "Opponents have hit just 48.6 percent of their shots at the rim with Favors nearby, the lowest such figure among 151 players who challenge at least two such shots per game."

It is pretty impressive what he is doing this year. I wish he could get more playing time. I also wish we would play with a 3 players that could shoot so Favors and Gobert could play more at the end of games.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/26173297/10-things-like-including-chris-paul-swagger

 

[prodigy]

Rudy and DFav so underrated in this era of offense. But every year defensively they are studs. Nice to see a national writer highlight DFavs play this year.

 

[Zombie]

Favors continues to straight beast on teams. Truly one of the most under rated players in the league.