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Look where Mack is now ...


Not relevant. Come back with something relevant.

All of this is beside the point. I'm not arguing that when both players are completely healthy and ready to rock that Quinn should go with Mack. I'm simply pointing to the actual circumstances of what happened last year.
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Its very relevant..... Mack is only 27 yrs old .Did he get dramatically worst a s ball player between 26 y o and 27 y o .
Now he's 3rd PG on the worst team in the NBA buried at the end of Orlando's bench ,YET some guys here think he was a critical piece for Snyder in the drive to the playoffs...NOT. We don't know how much better Exum would be if he got all those Mack minutes ....it's for sure now that Utah is diving for the lottery Exum is more highly thought of and valued while waiting for him to return to action.
 
Simply put, Mack was better then Exum last year. This is what happens to young raw players who play for playoff teams. They sit the bench and watch a ton. Even so, 98% of Exum's DNPCD's were in a one month span, the rest of the year he was getting 15-25 min a game. Had the jazz won 25 games Exum would've played more, a lot more.
 
tleikheen said:
Look where Mack is now ...at the end of the bench on the worst team in the NBA record wise. He isn't getting minutes like he did with Snyder when he makes mistakes .It was said last year Mack wouldn't get minutes anywhere else.
Makes me believe that Mack played only because he was Haywards buddy and Snyder played along with that,that Hayward didn't like Exum ...that's a BS way to coach a team.
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So you’re insisting that a coach with the worst record in the league knows what he’s doing but not a coach who won 51 games last year despite having the worst games lost due to injuries in the entire NBA?
 
Thee jazz fan said:
Simply put, Mack was better then Exum last year. This is what happens to young raw players who play for playoff teams. They sit the bench and watch a ton. Even so, 98% of Exum's DNPCD's were in a one month span, the rest of the year he was getting 15-25 min a game. Had the jazz won 25 games Exum would've played more, a lot more.
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He had a lot of quick hooks all through the year. I've been watching the game for a long time and I honestly don't think Mack was a better player last year after the first month and a half. It's not the end of the world, but I was very surprised that DL and Quin went that direction last year.
 
Quin's Murderface said:
He had a lot of quick hooks all through the year. I've been watching the game for a long time and I honestly don't think Mack was a better player last year after the first month and a half. It's not the end of the world, but I was very surprised that DL and Quin went that direction last year.
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Like I said. He played on a playoff team, and Exum was making a lot of rookie mistakes, while Exum was, is more talented, Mack for much of the year played more mistake free basketball, and Exum was coming off a major injury.


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Thee jazz fan said:
Like I said. He played on a playoff team, and Exum was making a lot of rookie mistakes, while Exum was, is more talented, Mack for much of the year played more mistake free basketball, and Exum was coming off a major injury.


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Mistake free? If Exum was on the floor he was fairly invisible — this was a good thing. Mack was very visible — this was a very bad thing.
 
The bottom line in all of this poses the question, what is/was the end result in all of this? Well, the end result is that Mack was given preference in this situation. A player that everybody knew would be let go at the end of the season, instead of a player with a higher ceiling, a young player who you are trying to develop.

Does that sit well with everybody? Anybody? The difference between the two was minimal either way, but there was a wide gap in defense between them, as whenever I watched Mack on defense it looked like he was on quicksand.

The decision was baffling at the time, and even more so now in hindsight knowing about Dante's second big injury. I say this considering how much he has already missed, and considering that he needed/needs as much playing time as possible.

When will he finally be allowed to make 'rookie' mistakes? 23/24 years of age?

Donovan was allowed to get his nonsense out of his system for the first 2 or 3 weeks, and boy did he get it out of his system! I do realise though they were different circumstances, and different team expectations.
 
Dali said:
Donovan was allowed to get his nonsense out of his system for the first 2 or 3 weeks, and boy did he get it out of his system! I do realise though they were different circumstances, and different team expectations.
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And completely different players. DM is a star already. And did you forget Exum started a lot of games his rookie season? He was allowed to make a ton of rookie mistakes with nowhere close to the contribution Mitchell is making as a rookie.

I think some of Dante's lack of playing time has been "tough love" by Quin. Snyder has pushed Exum because he knows the potential is there...if Dante takes his development seriously. Even Lindsey talked about a "sense of urgency" before last summer. And it was just a shame about the injury because Exum seemed to have turned that corner.
 
Dali said:
The bottom line in all of this poses the question, what is/was the end result in all of this? Well, the end result is that Mack was given preference in this situation. A player that everybody knew would be let go at the end of the season, instead of a player with a higher ceiling, a young player who you are trying to develop.

Does that sit well with everybody? Anybody? The difference between the two was minimal either way, but there was a wide gap in defense between them, as whenever I watched Mack on defense it looked like he was on quicksand.

The decision was baffling at the time, and even more so now in hindsight knowing about Dante's second big injury. I say this considering how much he has already missed, and considering that he needed/needs as much playing time as possible.

When will he finally be allowed to make 'rookie' mistakes? 23/24 years of age?

Donovan was allowed to get his nonsense out of his system for the first 2 or 3 weeks, and boy did he get it out of his system! I do realise though they were different circumstances, and different team expectations.
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That is why Dante should want to leave the jazz right now. He has been suffering so much unjust treatments and was a victim of double standards from snyder and the Jazz for the last few years. Dante should
be pissed that Neto and Mack were given more court time than himself, despite the fact
that he has higher ceiling than these two guys. Every player in the jazz was allowed to make a few mistakes on the court, but not Dante. What kind of coaching is this ?
 
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Just the opposite. Dante should be thankful he landed on a team with a coaching staff so willing to teach and be patient. Exum was one of the least prepared rookies to hit the league. He couldn't shoot, wouldn't drive to the hoop. Now he has the opportunity to come back slowly from his injury, get 25-30 mins next season as part of the PG/SG rotation with Ricky and Donovan and then become the starter when Rubio's contract expires.

Jazz had a HOF PG you may have heard of by the name of John Stockton. He started 5 games as rookie, 38 as a 2nd year player and only 2 his 3rd year. And he had FOUR years of college, not like Dante who had zero college experience.

Exum played in all 82 games as a rookie, starting 41. Last year he played in 66 and started 26. He shot an abysmal 30% on his 3's. Jazz were in it to win it last season. Dante's play was hurting the team both offensively and defensively. It was great he "broke out" in garbage time against GS. Let's hope what he's worked on carries forward once he shakes off the rust.
 
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