What's new
By:

Faster than I predicted

One Brow said:
Even one religious organization being forced by the government to marry gays would be a real problem, however isolated the anecdote, as far as I am concerned.
Click to expand...

This. The other comment is akin to saying that we won't treat the cancer until it has infiltrated enough of the body that death is imminent.
 
babe said:
...but I am looking at what the net effect long-term will be if we have governments prosecuting individuals or business owners for not performing services they may deem objectionable on the level of their own personal conscience.
Click to expand...

I am completely in favor of that, but would recommend, in addition, looking at the contrast with what the net effect long-term will be (and was) if we have governments not prosecuting individuals or business owners for not performing services they may deem objectionable on the level of their own personal conscience.
 
LogGrad98 said:
But the ACLU of Idaho states that "religious businesses" are exempt. Not sure what that definition is, but this one could fall under that definition.
Click to expand...

If you run a religious bookstore, can you refuse to sell to gay customers? Atheists? Does it matter whether the bookstore is located in the mall or inside your church building (for example, my daughters church has a bookstore inside)?

My understanding is that there is a supposed bright line between "in a church" and "open to the public". So, a for-profit bookstore located inside a church might be able to legally discriminate, while one in the mall can not.
 
One Brow said:
Facts have a liberal bias.
Click to expand...

Given the views of many liberals on vaccinations, nuclear power, genetic engineering, capitalism, industrialization, and so on, I'm thankful that your statement isn't true. Not that conservatives are any better, of course.
 
Siro said:
Given the views of many liberals on vaccinations, nuclear power, genetic engineering, capitalism, industrialization, and so on, I'm thankful that your statement isn't true. Not that conservatives are any better, of course.
Click to expand...

You'll find antivaccinationists on both side of the aisle, and in this country, mainstream liberals very much capitalists and industrialists. However, you're right about nuclear power.
 
LogGrad98 said:
But the ACLU of Idaho states that "religious businesses" are exempt. Not sure what that definition is, but this one could fall under that definition.
Click to expand...

I would interpret that as being something like a thrift shop operated by, and for the benefit of, a recognized church. Or a bookstore, gift shop, whatever. But that's just a guess.
 
moevillini; said:
Plenty of people can preside over weddings who are not affiliated in any way, shape or form with religion.
Click to expand...

babe said:
Pretty clear you are working with a definition of "religion" that necessarily invokes organizational, legally-established status....
Click to expand...

in reference to the statement you bolded, as far as in the execution of their duties officiating at a wedding, yes - - as far as their own personal beliefs, no. People can have all sorts of beliefs. Whatever their beliefs, and whether or not they fall into the highly organized, legally-established status, is not a factor in their officiating over a civil ceremony.

that's probably a pretty poorly worded paragraph, hopefully you understand.
 
well el oh el

so much for this discussion

Published: October 23, 2014 2:00PM
Last changed: October 23, 2014 5:57PM
ACLU: Northern Idaho wedding chapel now a religious organization

BOISE, Idaho (AP) — The American Civil Liberties Union of Idaho says it will not challenge a northern Idaho wedding chapel's refusal to conduct gay marriages because the chapel is no longer a public business.

Interim Executive Director Leo Morales says the Hitching Post became a nonprofit religious organization in Idaho nearly a month ago.

Morales in a news conference Thursday says that means the chapel no longer has to comply with the city of Coeur d'Alene's ordinance banning discrimination based on gender identity or sexual orientation.

A Christian religious rights legal organization filed a federal lawsuit last week against the city contending the chapel could be compelled to perform gay marriages under the city's anti-discrimination ordinance.

Gay marriage became legal in Idaho on Oct. 15.
Click to expand...

https://www.dailyastorian.com/aclu-n-idaho-chapel-now-a-religious-corporation-da-ap-webfeeds-news-northwestd840fce603e54f0b8f9c7dcd122397d3

and
https://www.ktvb.com/story/news/local/regional/2014/10/23/aclu-wedding-chapel-religious-organization/17790741/

and numerous additional sources
 
If there are consequences thar impair anyone's personal rights or finances or equal standing in society or in the courts, I agree with you.

For OB above a ways. . .
 
One Brow said:
It's a quote directly from the article you linked. Thank you for verifying you don't even read the stuff you link to.
Click to expand...

I read and quoted the relevant portion and linked to it as customary.

How was I to know you were going to read the entire Allen West's blog. lolz
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Share this page
Back
Top