Favors and Burks are the future of the Utah Jazz

[NotDeadYet]

What that Detroit team showed was you can win with FIVE guys playing D together and only 4 guys with jump shots. Actually, going back to Rodman/Salley, at times it was only 3 real scorers, although both Rodman and Salley played smart and knew when to roll to the basket for a dunk or layup. But they ate and drank DEFENSE on those ol' Piston teams! The Jazz have yet to develop a defensive "identity" except for fouling anyone in the paint; not exactly a formula for success.
The problem is when a big is greatly overmatched in the paint by his opposite number, as Millsap is vs. so many others. That's a weakness that is very difficult to hide against all these teams with "twin tower" combos that have been created in recent years. Millsap's best shot at success while helping his team is off the bench at BOTH SF and PF; hopefully he'll be willing to do something like that for the Jazz down the road...
I am dubious we'll see AK return, as I don't think we'll wanna pay what he wants. He would help us defensively this year, but then he'd be taking minutes from other younger guys who need court-time to develop. This is something the Jazz brass have to be weighing in on...
As with Millsap, I would never say Hayward "couldn't" do something on the court. BOTH are great competitors willing to do whatever it takes to help the team, including developing new skills we've not seen. I also think the same re: Big Al. I was saying Hayward has already shown he can play SG effectively at both ends for us; he's got some work to do in ye ol' gym to become as effective as a SF.

 

[GVC]

I haven't seen him in Colorado at all...but i think that is a head case.

If you haven't seen him at all, what makes you think he's a head case?

 

[jazzfan1132]

i mean psyche, almond clearly was soft, it's difficult to predict how Burks react.

 

[larryselbows]

Quick question... I know he's not Jerry Sloan, but Corbin seems to run a lot of the same stuff. Do you guys really think that Burks is going to have much chance to go isolation in our offense? Just wondering.

 

[jope]

Quick question... I know he's not Jerry Sloan, but Corbin seems to run a lot of the same stuff. Do you guys really think that Burks is going to have much chance to go isolation in our offense? Just wondering.

I hope not.

Team ball is what has kept me a jazz fan. Movement, enexpected cutters, quick interior passing is much more fun to watch compared to 80% of the nba: Drive and dish for a 3, iso, iso, iso, drive and jump into someone for the foul.

It seems our offense is more of an iso as a last resort, we cant run our play effectively, so give to an iso-capable player for the final 8 seconds of the shot clock.

But who knows what corbin has (or hasn't) got up his sleeve.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I think people who want Hayward to play sg are underestimating his ability. Hayward possesses great intangibles, remember he was a rookie, and still very young, he should be able to bulk up to better defend other sf's. I saw the game vs. the Lakers, and I know Kobe is a sg, but let's face it he is a sg in a sf's body, and Hayward did just fine against Kobe. Other than Favors Hayward is every bit as athletic as anyone on this team. Some perceive him to not be very athletic because he's white and looks like he is 16 yrs. old. The only players I see him really struggling against would be James, Anthony, and Durant, ummmm I think they are matchup problems for everyone not just Hayward. In two years I see him as are best player. He's a scorer shooter playmaker, and has great instincts offensively and defensively.

Flame away....

Hayward is easily one of the least athletic people on the team. Favors, Burks, Harris (set Guiness book world record with 3.9 seconds from end to end of a Bball court while dribbling ball), Evans, Miles, Price and AK.

He is on par athletically with Millsap and Bell. More athletic than Okur, Jefferson, Kanter, Watson, and Elson

 

[Basketball_Romantic23]

As far as who will be the best out of Burks, Hayward, Favors, or Kanter, I think you might as well throw at a dart board to determine it. If Burks gets his shot down, he obviously is going to be really good. Hayward has already shown glimpses of all star caliber play. Favors has his elite size and athleticism going for him. Kanter has dominated at every level including the Eurobasket taking age into account.

^ this!! Could not be better put! You deserve more rep power for the comment Jazz4ever!

 

[Basketball_Romantic23]

Not even close. We all knew Brewer could never fix his shot. With that injury, he cannot get proper rotation. Burks' problems have been more about shot selection and feeling like he has to throw it up every time he touches the ball. In that respect, I hope he doesn't come in and emulate Morris Almond. I'd really like to see Hayward slide in to the starting SG spot and create size mismatches. That will depend on his defensive capabilities, though. If that happens, Burks becomes our Corey Maggette off the bench. And then the Jazz draft or sign a starting SF.

I'm the highest on Favors and hope Kanter can be an impact player. Evans? He's a backup at best. But I do like his attitude.

Your not giving Burks enough credit! the dude is going to be Really really good in 5 years. saying corey magette makes me cringe!!

 

[Basketball_Romantic23]

If Burks really can develop into an NBA-quality PG, our backcourt of Burks/Hayward would be a tough matchup for anyone!

Burks may be able to play PG, but he is a SG! but if your saying it would be a tough matchup for the limited minutes he'd play PG, I totally agree. I don't think it is wise to say it would be a good idea for the majority of his minutes to come at PG!

 

[Basketball_Romantic23]

Remember, just because you play the 3, doesnt mean you have to defend the opposing teams SF as well. If we resign Kirilenko we can throw him at the 4 to defend the Lebrons, and the Durants, etc.

To me, one of the most exciting things about Burks is the fact that his only flaw is the lack of a reliable long distance shot. How did Burks 3 point percentage compare with Haywards in his last year at Butler? Because to my knowledge it was in the high twenties; now hes the best shooting Rookie in the NBA from 3 point land. I feel like long-range shooting is one of the most easily correctible flaws as an NBA player, especially if your mid-range game is very solid (which is true for Burks). I seriously think we got an unbelievably awesome pick at #12.

^This!!

 

[Basketball_Romantic23]

I didn't watch Burks at all, but I would assume a high % of his 3pt attempts were off the dribble. I doubt he will be taking nearly as many like that in Utah, so hopefully his % will go up from being put in better catch and shoot situations.

Honestly, I don't think Burks shot is broken. the mechanics look fine to me!

 

[Basketball_Romantic23]

We all remember guys like Kirk Snyder, Morris Almond, tell me when BURKS is better than they.
I haven't seen him in Colorado at all, his tools are nice but i think that is a head case.

Dude!! Burks can do things that Almond and Snyder could never do. His abililty to get to the basket and create his own shot will translate becasue of his athletic abilty and craft. He's fantastic with the ball in his hands! seriously, the dude has handles for a SG. Snyder was athletic but didn't have the skill and almond had some skill but didn't have the athletic ability for his scoring to translate!

 

[Basketball_Romantic23]

I think people who want Hayward to play sg are underestimating his ability. Hayward possesses great intangibles, remember he was a rookie, and still very young, he should be able to bulk up to better defend other sf's. I saw the game vs. the Lakers, and I know Kobe is a sg, but let's face it he is a sg in a sf's body, and Hayward did just fine against Kobe. Other than Favors Hayward is every bit as athletic as anyone on this team. Some perceive him to not be very athletic because he's white and looks like he is 16 yrs. old. The only players I see him really struggling against would be James, Anthony, and Durant, ummmm I think they are matchup problems for everyone not just Hayward. In two years I see him as are best player. He's a scorer shooter playmaker, and has great instincts offensively and defensively.


Flame away....

Not sure he'll be better than Favors or even Burks, but i think he may end up as arguably the most important player on the Jazz.

 

[Basketball_Romantic23]

Quick question... I know he's not Jerry Sloan, but Corbin seems to run a lot of the same stuff. Do you guys really think that Burks is going to have much chance to go isolation in our offense? Just wondering.

I think any great coach has to build the offensive around the strengths and talent of the team. If Burks can be effective in iso plays than why not run a few iso plays. i know i have said this over and over again but hear me again when i say burks is going to suprise a lot of people!

 

[Basketball_Romantic23]

Harris (set Guiness book world record with 3.9 seconds from end to end of a Bball court while dribbling ball)

I wonder if John Wall could beat that!?

 

[larryselbows]

I think any great coach has to build the offensive around the strengths and talent of the team. If Burks can be effective in iso plays than why not run a few iso plays. i know i have said this over and over again but hear me again when i say burks is going to suprise a lot of people!

Great point! I guess I will just have to trust your judgment! Even though just about every single person on JazzFanz has the same youtube videos to assess Burks' abilities that you do, there's just something about your use of hyperbole and overuse of exclamation points that just makes me think "you know what... I think this guy knows a lot about basketball!"

 

[LogGrad98]

Exactly. Way to early to try and determine who should get how many minutes.

As long as we do not sacrifice any minutes for those new players in favor of Miles, I am good with whatever. Miles should get <10 MPG this season. He has had his shot, and has not responded. Time to let the new guys have their shot.

 

[Basketball_Romantic23]

Great point! I guess I will just have to trust your judgment! Even though just about every single person on JazzFanz has the same youtube videos to assess Burks' abilities that you do, there's just something about your use of hyperbole and overuse of exclamation points that just makes me think "you know what... I think this guy knows a lot about basketball!"

Thanks! I'm glad you are able to recognize and experts word on things ... lol

 

[larryselbows]

Sorry if I seemed like a jerk. You seem nice.

 

[LogGrad98]

Your not giving Burks enough credit! the dude is going to be Really really good in 5 years. saying corey magette makes me cringe!!

If Burks ends up as good as Magette that would be a great thing. Borderline all-star. Go-to player who can create his own shot. Remember, he can have the same skills and abilities without the attitude. If he becomes better than Magette then we have a wet-dream in the making.