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Favors and Burks are the future of the Utah Jazz

gomretat said:
I hope Burks is great but the discussions about him remind me of things said about Ronnie Brewer after we drafted him
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Not even close. We all knew Brewer could never fix his shot. With that injury, he cannot get proper rotation. Burks' problems have been more about shot selection and feeling like he has to throw it up every time he touches the ball. In that respect, I hope he doesn't come in and emulate Morris Almond. I'd really like to see Hayward slide in to the starting SG spot and create size mismatches. That will depend on his defensive capabilities, though. If that happens, Burks becomes our Corey Maggette off the bench. And then the Jazz draft or sign a starting SF.

I'm the highest on Favors and hope Kanter can be an impact player. Evans? He's a backup at best. But I do like his attitude.
 
The more versatile we are, the better. With all the switching that goes on defensively, players need to be able to handle multiple positions for us to ever develop a decent defense. If Hayward can bulk up, which he should be able to, he might be fine at SF.
Last year he showed flashes of greatness at SG both offensively and defensively, not so much at SF, where he's a bit light. CJ is already bulked, but needs to develop better lateral movement to be a good SG. Great if he can do it!
 
I've watched the highlights from Colorado's NIT games, and I'd really like to see Burks run the point a little bit this season. Yes, he likes to shoot more often than he should, but he seems to have really good vision on the court, and has a knack for making the right pass (again, based on highlights). He has the length, athleticism and rebounding ability to be a real mismatch at the 1 as well.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
I am high on Hayward. I was saying I don't think his position (SG or SF) will have that big of an impact on his career. The person I quoted said something along the lines of "Hayward will be a stud at SG but not at SF". I think he will be the same player regardless of which of those two positions he plays.
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Ah ok, but i agree with the other guy, if he creates more consistency in his shooting, he can be a stud in SG because first of all he has a physical advantage. But as a SF he is a little weak against stronger guys, especially in the defensive end it would bring him a lot of advantage as a SG.
 
sepanol said:
Ah ok, but i agree with the other guy, if he creates more consistency in his shooting, he can be a stud in SG because first of all he has a physical advantage. But as a SF he is a little weak against stronger guys, especially in the defensive end it would bring him a lot of advantage as a SG.
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Burks has more advantage at SG than Hayward. Hayward is the most capable player at SF other than AK, and AK may not be on the team next year.
 
If Burks really can develop into an NBA-quality PG, our backcourt of Burks/Hayward would be a tough matchup for anyone!
 
sepanol said:
Ah ok, but i agree with the other guy, if he creates more consistency in his shooting, he can be a stud in SG because first of all he has a physical advantage. But as a SF he is a little weak against stronger guys, especially in the defensive end it would bring him a lot of advantage as a SG.
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Remember, just because you play the 3, doesnt mean you have to defend the opposing teams SF as well. If we resign Kirilenko we can throw him at the 4 to defend the Lebrons, and the Durants, etc.

To me, one of the most exciting things about Burks is the fact that his only flaw is the lack of a reliable long distance shot. How did Burks 3 point percentage compare with Haywards in his last year at Butler? Because to my knowledge it was in the high twenties; now hes the best shooting Rookie in the NBA from 3 point land. I feel like long-range shooting is one of the most easily correctible flaws as an NBA player, especially if your mid-range game is very solid (which is true for Burks). I seriously think we got an unbelievably awesome pick at #12.
 
NotDeadYet said:
If Burks really can develop into an NBA-quality PG, our backcourt of Burks/Hayward would be a tough matchup for anyone!
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I don't think that is what the Jazz plan to do with him. Offensively it may be possible, but defensively it would be a disaster against lighting quick PG that make up the league now.
 
dalamon said:
Remember, just because you play the 3, doesnt mean you have to defend the opposing teams SF as well. If we resign Kirilenko we can throw him at the 4 to defend the Lebrons, and the Durants, etc.

To me, one of the most exciting things about Burks is the fact that his only flaw is the lack of a reliable long distance shot. How did Burks 3 point percentage compare with Haywards in his last year at Butler? Because to my knowledge it was in the high twenties; now hes the best shooting Rookie in the NBA from 3 point land. I feel like long-range shooting is one of the most easily correctible flaws as an NBA player, especially if your mid-range game is very solid (which is true for Burks). I seriously think we got an unbelievably awesome pick at #12.
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I didn't watch Burks at all, but I would assume a high % of his 3pt attempts were off the dribble. I doubt he will be taking nearly as many like that in Utah, so hopefully his % will go up from being put in better catch and shoot situations.
 
And I would not bet against Millsap being able to re-invent himself as a SF. He's already come a long ways since being little more than a very good but under-sized rebounder in college... At 6'8", I just can't see him as a starter at PF due to his defensive liability. With all the bigger guys we've accumulated, the handwriting looks like it's on the wall. Just a matter of time before these guys develop...
 
NotDeadYet said:
And I would not bet against Millsap being able to re-invent himself as a SF. He's already come a long ways since being little more than a very good but under-sized rebounder in college... At 6'8", I just can't see him as a starter at PF due to his defensive liability. With all the bigger guys we've accumulated, the handwriting looks like it's on the wall. Just a matter of time before these guys develop...
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It all depends who hes coupled with, honestly. Ben Wallace is MUCH at scoring than Millsap is at defending, yet the frontcourt of Detroit did perfectly fine with scoring for all of those years. A duo like Millsap and Bogut to me is more than a functional starting 4/5 tandem. Millsap ABSOLUTELY has what it takes to start at the 4 in the NBA, hes just probably not ever going to be a superstar at that position because of his limitations. The call for him to move to 3 is because we think that Favors's ceiling as a Power Forward is higher than Millsaps, and we want to keep both. Only way this can play out is if Millsap plays on the bench, or if he starts playing the 3.
 
dalamon said:
It all depends who hes coupled with, honestly. Ben Wallace is MUCH at scoring than Millsap is at defending, yet the frontcourt of Detroit did perfectly fine with scoring for all of those years. A duo like Millsap and Bogut to me is more than a functional starting 4/5 tandem. Millsap ABSOLUTELY has what it takes to start at the 4 in the NBA, hes just probably not ever going to be a superstar at that position because of his limitations. The call for him to move to 3 is because we think that Favors's ceiling as a Power Forward is higher than Millsaps, and we want to keep both. Only way this can play out is if Millsap plays on the bench, or if he starts playing the 3.
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Huge hyperbole. Millsap can guard some players at least. Ben Wallace can barely score against his own shadow.
 
Also, Millsap can't be a starting 4. Not because of his size, but because of lack of endurance for an 82 game season, or at least lack of ability to pace himself for an 82 game season.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
Also, Millsap can't be a starting 4. Not because of his size, but because of lack of endurance for an 82 game season, or at least lack of ability to pace himself for an 82 game season.
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Based on what? After his amazing first 7 games, he was extremely consistent throughout last season. Seriously, go look at his month-by-month splits. February-March was his best 2 month stretch.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
Burks has more advantage at SG than Hayward. Hayward is the most capable player at SF other than AK, and AK may not be on the team next year.
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So that shows the lackness of SF in our team, not that Hayward plays best at SF. Burks is already a SG, he cant play SF, when he is on court, we can play Hayward as SF depending on his matchup, but i insist, he would perform much better as a SG than SF. Why not play someone in a position he has obvious physical advantage? And it is not like Millsap playing SF instead of PF, he has many disadvantages there but Hayward doesn't have any disadvantage or any ability he lacks that a SG should have.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
Huge hyperbole. Millsap can guard some players at least. Ben Wallace can barely score against his own shadow.
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I meant to type MUCH worse*** My point is that Millsap isnt all that bad at defending at all, whereas someone as putrid offensively as Ben Wallace could still be apart of a offensively effective 4/5 combo. Sorry for the confusion. Millsap can definitely start for many many teams as a 4, IMO.
 
sepanol said:
So that shows the lackness of SF in our team, not that Hayward plays best at SF. Burks is already a SG, he cant play SF, when he is on court, we can play Hayward as SF depending on his matchup, but i insist, he would perform much better as a SG than SF. Why not play someone in a position he has obvious physical advantage? And it is not like Millsap playing SF instead of PF, he has many disadvantages there but Hayward doesn't have any disadvantage or any ability he lacks that a SG should have.
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Or it shows that the 2/3 are largely interchangeable.
 
GVC said:
I've watched the highlights from Colorado's NIT games, and I'd really like to see Burks run the point a little bit this season. Yes, he likes to shoot more often than he should, but he seems to have really good vision on the court, and has a knack for making the right pass (again, based on highlights). He has the length, athleticism and rebounding ability to be a real mismatch at the 1 as well.
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When I said I would like to see Burks get some time at point guard next year and HOPED he could develop into a starting point guard in the future so Hayward could stay at shooting guard, I caught all kinds of flack. I am still hoping for that.
 
We all remember guys like Kirk Snyder, Morris Almond, tell me when BURKS is better than they.
I haven't seen him in Colorado at all, his tools are nice but i think that is a head case.
 
I think people who want Hayward to play sg are underestimating his ability. Hayward possesses great intangibles, remember he was a rookie, and still very young, he should be able to bulk up to better defend other sf's. I saw the game vs. the Lakers, and I know Kobe is a sg, but let's face it he is a sg in a sf's body, and Hayward did just fine against Kobe. Other than Favors Hayward is every bit as athletic as anyone on this team. Some perceive him to not be very athletic because he's white and looks like he is 16 yrs. old. The only players I see him really struggling against would be James, Anthony, and Durant, ummmm I think they are matchup problems for everyone not just Hayward. In two years I see him as are best player. He's a scorer shooter playmaker, and has great instincts offensively and defensively.

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