Fiesta of dellusion... (or Boston Celtics fans want to trade for Favors)

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After the Jody report, it seems like Boston Celtics fans are developing a serious erection for the possibility that they can get Favors. A few days ago I posted a that they are the most delusional bunch I've ever seen and that there was even a contemplated offer before the draft of Olynyk+16 for 12+Favors(that's still the most delusional one I've seen). Look at what they think should be able to do it or what they think they should offer for Favors:

Trades for Carmelo and Favors and pickup Robin Lopez.

Boston will be scary.

Smart / IT
Turner / Rozier
Melo / Crowder
Favors / Mickey
Lopez / Zeller

Trade away Bradley,Sully, Young, Olynynk, and a couple future picks.

Derrick Favors. A young dynamic defender who can score.

I am willing to lose Olynynk and Sullinger in the process along with Bradley.

What would you give up for Favors? He would provide the athletic brute type play at the four that would go with Harris and Zeller better than Monroe or Sullinger. He could play five with Crowder and Harris in smaller lineups. And his contract is pretty good and might even fit in the Rondo TPE.

Bradley and Sullinger? Turner and Sullinger? A future first might need to be added I would think. Would Utah hang up?

They are rumoured to be interested in Millsap and may move him. He is a solid two way player, not an All Star, so cap relief, a young prospect and a first or two might get it done if they decide to move him.

Oh, but of course, we will trade Favors for cap relief. Why didn't I think of that!

I DO like a potential back court of Rozier/Smart with IT/Young or Hunter off the bench...I dont mind the idea of Bradley/Olynyk for Favors to balance out the roster..Still hoping for a big name Free Agent joining as well and potentially Pierce.

I agree with the Favors idea. Was thinking about that just after the Jazz drafted Trey Lyles.

YES!!! We will trade borderline all-star because of Trey Lyles!!!

Or better yet, three-way trade with Utah and Sacremento to try and get Cousins. Favors to Sacremento with Olynyk or Turner and draft picks. Bradley to Utah with draft picks and Landry from Sacremento. Works if the picks are enough to grease some wheels. Maybe expand...

Who does Smart for Favors?

Question is what do you get back for him? I'd love to try to package him, Olynyk and the Nets picks to get Favors but I doubt Utah bites. There's at least rumors out there that they want to move him so they can try to sign Millsap, and they have a clear need for a shooter/defender at the guard spot like Bradley. Quin Snyder would love Bradley's defense and toughness to fit in the mold of the Jazz's new identity. And I suspect Olynyk would be a fan favorite in Utah plus also fit a need as a floor spacer.

Favors is my wet dream these days. 23 years old, very reasonable contract, great rebounder/shotblocker, oodles of athleticism still not fully tapped, and has improved every year he has been in the league, yet without a clear "breakout" year that has resulted IMO with him being a bit underrated.

Put him in the East at center with Stevens' spacing offense and I think he absolutely thrives. Will be hard to pry him away but IMO he's someone Ainge has to be calling on every single day, just like Cousins.

Favors and Harris would be HUGE. Not sure what Utah would want for him, not sure I want to give up a Nets pick.. Not sure why Utah wants to trade him, either..

I agree with Mang - Favors would be an excellent fit. I still have this fantasy that somehow Love will be in green by the end of July. I'm also down with a Hibbert trade assuming we give up next to nothing of real value in the process. After all, with the added financial motivation, contract years tend to bring out the best in everyone. Harris, Hibbert, Love and Favors would be a very nice summer haul for us. No doubt giving up at least a few of the following to land them in the process - Sully, KO, Bradley).

If the Jazz really do want to make a play for Millsap, I would love to do something like:

Atlanta gives up Millsap (S&T), gets 1st round pick from Celtics
Celtics give up Bradley, Olynyk, 1st round pick, get Favors
Jazz give up Favors, get Bradley, Olynyk, Millsap

Seems like everyone wins here. If the Hawks can't convince Millsap to return, they get an unprotected pick as a silver lining for his departure. The Jazz get Millsap for free basically and also AB/Olynyk. Olynyk is the perfect big next to Gobert and would be a fan favorite, while Bradley fits in perfectly in the backcourt for the Jazz - fits their mentality and adds the shooting touch they need.

Avery + Evan for Favors works. Maybe we should add a pick.

Well, if you are going to add a pick, I guess we can't refuse such a generous offer. Because everybody in the league has lined up for Evan Turner. If it doesn't work maybe you can add Luigi Datome, he will definitely get it done.

There are conflicting reports saying that Favors might be available so that the Jazz could pair Gobert and Milsap together, add to that that the Jazz just drafted Lyles. I feel like he would be a perfect pairing next to Olynyk. He's 23 and still has some serious upside. Not to mention he is locked up for 3 years for $35.1mil. Would Bradley + Sullinger + picks get it done? If I was Ainge I'd be looking to take advantage of that situation plus clear the logjam of guards.

Rozier/Smart/Crowder/Favors/Olynyk

Super young but could develop in the next few years as something special. Add that superstar free agent when we have something going. Thoughts?

If the Jazz rumor about Bradley is true, then we can trade him + fillers for Favors.

Yes! Bradley + filler please! Maybe you can add Wallace's contract cause we are receiving way too much value in this one.

I would give up bradley turner and a brooklyn pick

If Favors is really available, Ainge needs to push every button available to get him. Idk if he's a guy you trade Smart for, I probably wouldn't, but you'd at least consider it. The kid is 23, He's already a really good player and he has the potential to be even more than that. Plus his contract is workable.

The Jazz have a long rumored interest in Bradley, who would be An absolute perfect fit on that team. They also seem to have a glut of bigs, while we have a glut of guards. Favors is the perfect kind of guy you pair with Olynyk. I would go for something like

BOS trades Avery Bradley, Jared Sullinger, Marcus Thornton, the 2016 Dallas 1st and the 2016 Miami 2nd to Utah for Derrick Favors and the 2016 (?) Golden State 1st

He would almost instantly make us the favorites to win the Atlantic and were still set up very well for the future. Just resigning Crowder and possibly Jerebko would be good moves, and anything else we could pull (Tobias Harris) of would be gravy. Still have all the Brooklyn picks, Smart, and all our own picks. We'd be left with..

Smart/Thomas/Rozier
Rozier/Young/Smart/Hunter
Turner/Crowder/Young
Favors/Olynyk/Jerebko/Mickey
Olynyk/Zeller/Favors

You label Favors as a 4 and KO as a 5 but in practice it's the opposite. Favors is a pretty good rim-protector, and I think combined with Mickey's skill-set we could have a more than adequate interior D.

Sorry but Favors is not a really good player. Mediocre work ethic. He gets by utilizing his physical tools.

I have seen a shorter/not as long Sullinger outplay him a few times by sheer work ethic/bbiq.

Yah, he's really bad, you don't really need him. That Sullinger guy though... such a stud.

i suggest this trade
https://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=pz5tb7v
where we give them a Brooklyn pick 2016

the jazz have been reportedly already interested in favors before. he is 23 years old. friendly team contract.

I was thinking something along these lines as well. Utah took Lyles last night to presumably be the PF of the future next to Gobert.

Id be more than willing to give them AB+Sully/KO+a first(not Brooklyn 16) and/or Turner

If Im Utah honestly I wouldnt consider moving Favors. However this makes some level of sense for them.

Adding AB solves the 2 gaurd position for them and adding Sully gives them a cheap 4 to use as either a backup to milsapp or if they cant get Milsap then he can come in and start for a year till Lyles is ready, then they can either keep him or say goodbye.

If you are Utah would you accept AB+Sully+Dallas '16 + Boston '16 for Favors?

To be fair, there are some people that try to put some sense into the masses, but they are few and far between.

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https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewforum.php?f=8
https://forums.celticsblog.com

 

[dipship31]

If a deal was to go down with Boston it would have to include Smart, he's the only guy on the roster with legitimate value, but I can't imagine a single realistic package that would work on either side.

 

[seattlejazzfan]

That's fun reading. The unintentional comedy is off the charts.

 

[Stifle Tower]

Well, to be honest, some of the trades I've read on this board have been just as bad...offloading our spare parts for someone of real value.

 

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Well, to be honest, some of the trades I've read on this board have been just as bad...offloading our spare parts for someone of real value.

I have to agree I've seen some of those, but I think it's not as overwhelming and most of the horrible ones get shut down pretty quickly. The most recent one is the Jimmy Butler one where people think there's actually even 0.0001% chance a poisonous offer will make the Bulls not want to match or would make them want to do sign and trade.

 

[NUMBERICA]

What the ****. **** like that happens everywhere, but... seriously?

 

[LogGrad98]

I think a future first, lottery protected of course, and a few seconds should be enough to pry Favors loose.

 

[fishonjazz]

Sully, olynyk, bradley, smart? Wtf, **** all those guys.

All those dudes and all the Celtics picks for the next five years and I still say no.
The Celtics young players are all just bench fodder on the current jazz team.
Favors > sully (not even close)
Gobert > olynyk (not even close)
Exum > smart (close one)
Burks or Hayward or hood > bradley

 

[gregbroncs]

All fan bases are delusional to some degree. But those trades are hilarious.

 

[jjscap]

First, we don't want to trade Favors. He and Gobert are our frontcourt going forward.
Second, we don't deal with Danny Ainge. He is notorious for asking too much in return that GMs don't even bother listening what he has to offer.

 

[Mongoose]

I like how Luigi Datome is the missing piece that gets the deal done.... Hahaha

 

[Avery]

If you were going to give six draft picks (four potential 1st rounders) for Frank friggin' Kaminsky, you better prepared to double that offer for Favors lest you want to take a lead pipe to the head for sheer stupidity/audaciousness.

 

[Hotdog]

Pretty sure Catchall, Numberica, Stoked, and a few other would be down with those trades. Because we getting Millsap back

 

[Stoked]

Pretty sure Catchall, Numberica, Stoked, and a few other would be down with those trades. Because we getting Millsap back

That's because you never actually take the time to read peoples posts.

 

[Stifle Tower]

I like how Luigi Datome is the missing piece that gets the deal done.... Hahaha

Only had we drafted Mario. Imagine the dollars Nintendo would have thrown our way to market those two.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Sucks to be the Celtics. They have a ton of C grade assets. They want to think they can package a lot of those for an A asset, but it's not happening.

 

[Stifle Tower]

Sucks to be the Celtics. They have a ton of C grade assets. They want to think they can package a lot of those for an A asset, but it's not happening.

There was a brief period I envied the Celtics with all their picks, assets and a good young coach. Now I think all rebuilding teams are jealous of the Jazz. We have amazing potential at every position and still have extra picks to spend.

And, I don't think we need to pine for Stevens or Hornacek. Snyder is showing he was a fantastic choice.

 

[Hotdog]

That's because you never actually take the time to read peoples posts.

If I don't read them, then how would I know you were one of the ones who entertained the idea of trading Favors?

Just admit it Stoked, you don't understand what's going on.

If Jody Gennesy thinks it's a good idea to trade Favors, then you are aboard because he's an NBA beat writer so he must know what he's talking about.

And let's be clear. The Jazz have no interest in trading Favors. That's Jody's own conclusion he came to when he heard the grape vine the Jazz were interested in Millsap. That part may be true, but only to make him part of a 3 man rotation.

 

[Laramie]

Just get so tired of these large markets like New York, Los Angeles, Chicago & Boston who think just because of their tradition they can come in and take what they want from the smaller markets like SLC, OKC, Memphis & New Orleans.

They can build from the draft like everyone else. They need to get a GM that recognizes talent; if they don't have one--that's where they should begin the process.

Watched the Utah Jazz patiently build throughout the Jerry Sloan era in which Deron Williams (big head cyclops) creates a volcano then departs. Good luck Jazz, hang on to Favors, you have a knowledgeable coach who can build around him.

 

[Stoked]

If I don't read them, then how would I know you were one of the ones who entertained the idea of trading Favors?

Just admit it Stoked, you don't understand what's going on.

If Jody Gennesy thinks it's a good idea to trade Favors, then you are aboard because he's an NBA beat writer so he must know what he's talking about.

And let's be clear. The Jazz have no interest in trading Favors. That's Jody's own conclusion he came to when he heard the grape vine the Jazz were interested in Millsap. That part may be true, but only to make him part of a 3 man rotation.

So because someone brought up trading Favors and I talked about it and ended up saying that Favors is part of an elite defensive big rotation and I do not want to break that up I am pro trading Favors?

As for Jody, I never really got involved in that argument at all.

Only thing I see here is you trying to hard to be condescending. It would help if you actually applied the right arguments to the right people.