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Following 2016 potential draftees

PG_AB said:
In the context of recent (and future) wing players that are lottery picks, Valentine just won't stack up well as the years pass, I can't stress this enough... 12 would be such a reach.. I'd literally turn the TV off and the draft is my favorite thing to watch every year..

he'd easily be one of the least athletic wings in the lottery compared to these adjacent classes.. There's freak athletes that are also skilled coming thru the pipelines.. Players that can cause Valentine all sorts of issues, on offense, if they were to guard him.. Even if those players were to fall and the players ranked beneath them were to overtake them, most of those guys are markedly more athletic than Valentine too..

It's likely that in the 4 drafts after this there will be much higher upside wings taken in the lottery..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndhA354C_DQ... Might honestly be a Kobe Bryant level prospect..

Obviously Denzel's no Devin Booker either..

So the way I see it, drafting Valentine 12th would be getting the short end of the stick.. I'd also say it'd be the opposite of picking low-hanging fruit.. It'd be a major reach, and a putting all of your eggs in one basket type move..

I'd almost see it as a sign that Lindsey's looking for a quick fix.. like I said it's not going to happen.
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Awesome which one of those guys is eligible to be drafted this year... None... okay I guess we will just have to deal with this year's draft picks.

Look I like Luwawu better, but Denzel can play. If we moved down to get him that is fine, but he's not a huge reach. ESPN and Draftexpress both have him right in our range.

Hood was old (for draft prospects), skilled, and average length... got passed on... many GMs regret it.
 
PG_AB said:
Valentine at 12 would mean they're convinced he's a needle in the haystack of wings(other than Jaylen Brown and Jamal Murray) in this draft.. That's very far from picking low-hanging fruit, which I'm a huge advocate of...

I've been posting here for quite some time saying the wings from 10-30 are going to be a crapshoot in this draft, and that there's plenty of room for some random wing to go flying up into the lottery due to the lack of quality at the position.. Thats why I'd laugh at anyone who thinks Taurean Prince is markedly worse than players like Korkmaz, Valentine and Luwawu...

Just like I posted that I thought the 2013 draft, despite being percieved as weak, had a chance to have a damn good 1st or 2nd teir C, fall to the 3rd teir picks.. which is exactly what happend with Rudy... This years wings I feel oppositely about, It's probably MUCH safer to go with the BPA PF/C...

I disagree with that premise whole-heartedly, to me thats settling and half-assed because there's certainly other good options to be found, the draft isn't their only avenue to find a backup wing, it is their only avenue to find some truly talented 19 year old to develop over the years though...(especially considering how the rosters currently constructed).. This is one of those situations where kicking the can down the road could very well be beneficial.. I'm vehement he'd be a bad pick, I'd rather gamble on Korkmaz for sure...


Valentine would have to be in the 2nd tier of talent in this draft to justify that pick, and I just don't see it..


the Jazz aren't in some huge need of anything, they're 2 deep at each position(counting Favors as both a starting PF and backup C)..

Chances have gotta be way over 50% the pick will be born in the year 1996 or 1997..
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There is no low hanging fruit at 12... Look at the history of the pick. 10-30 is a crapshoot historically. Because of that I'd be fine taking any of the Korkmaz/Luwawu/Valentine trio... although Korkmaz scares me most. Takes a while to load his jumper and just hasn't played a lot. I've only seen the draftexpress videos, but that was what worried me. He's a fine prospect for what we need now and long term though.

I just don't get the Valentine hate... At 12 these guys are all flawed... hell even Murray has size and athleticism concerns. The wings may be a crap shoot but so is every 19 year old with "upside". Valentine can play basketball... we need guys that can do that.
 
Loko vs Barcelona Euroleague Playoff game on Watch ESPN. Doubtful any draft prospects will play though. Vezenkov could get a few minutes. Abrines also interesting more so in the fact that wish we could have gotten his rights in the Kanter trade. Also Tomic plays for Barca. Anthony Randolph is a guy you could see back in the NBA also Claver. Delaney i think is better than many backup PGs in the league.
 
Is Valentine just sort of a better Memphis wing (forget the sf's hyphenated name when they were in final)?
 
Cunning Linguist said:
Is Valentine just sort of a better Memphis wing (forget the sf's hyphenated name when they were in final)?
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CDR I assume... Not really. Doesn't shoot pass or rebound as well. More of a driver slasher than Valentine. He got to the line more. He might still be in the league but I think he was kind of an idiot.
 
orangello said:
Jonathan Jeanne has pulled out of the draft.
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He can certainly improve his draft stock with one more year in Europe if he actually plays, but I do not I still think go ahead get in the draft and that way the 3 year clock will start to earn extra money.
 
A player id like to see the Jazz take a serious look at is
D. Jackson point guard from Notre Dame
Exum has not proven anything at this level yet, we know all of you are not satisfied with TRey, and Neto is not even backup material honestly. Jackson also has played with another point guard at ND and with Utah IF Exum is playing well he has the length to guard SGs.Jackson is a deceptive athlete , high iq, decent shot, strong as an ox already, and can drive and dish
 
PG_AB said:
same size(undersized SF's) with less than average lateral quicks for defending high-end wings.. Muhammad has a good bit more bounce in his step too..

The Jazz simply aren't going to draft Valentine, they'll take the BPA PF/C over him.. The pick will be someone they project as a possible starter in years, not Valentine who's got little chance to usurp Hood or Hayward as a starter...

Plus Valentine isn't really a match next to Burks or Hood..
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JAZZ I thought always liked players with high bball iqs. Cant find another one in this draft with a higher bball iq then Denzel... Sleeping on him since he isn't "Athletic" lol.. I bet you are Video game generation
 
ncoloradojazz said:
A player id like to see the Jazz take a serious look at is
D. Jackson point guard from Notre Dame
Exum has not proven anything at this level yet, we know all of you are not satisfied with TRey, and Neto is not even backup material honestly. Jackson also has played with another point guard at ND and with Utah IF Exum is playing well he has the length to guard SGs.Jackson is a deceptive athlete , high iq, decent shot, strong as an ox already, and can drive and dish
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Wrong, Exum has proven to be an above average PG defender already and he is younger than Jackson (who is already almost 22).

What has Jackson proved in the NBA? I'm interested to know.
 
and Jackson is 21, Atleast get your facts right before you step to the plate with a slugger like me
He is also 11 months older then Exum. So if Exum can still develop then so could Jackson
 
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