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Hayward may not be as athletic as Paul George but Hayward's bball iq is head and shoulders above George, it's not even close, and that makes up for not being as athletic and it's not to say Gordon isn't athletic because he has shocked us all and will do more shocking.

How do you get that when Paul George is clearly the superior player to anyone not drunk on the punch? If Hayward is that much smarter, then George is all that much more naturally talented, more athletic, and bigger.
 
To head off something...

The difference between the discussion of Paul George and Larkin is that it is abundantly clear that George is NBA-size and NBA-proven. How much an inch here or there helps him isn't totally clear. Two inches in height, 6 inches in wingspan, 8 inches in reach, and 20 pounds is a lot of size to be missing when you already are playing the smallest position on the floor and you haven't proven anything in the NBA.

As Larkin compares to Millsap as prospects, I wouldn't have drafted Millsap at the end of the lottery in that draft either (knowing what was known at the time, knowing what we know now, Millsap would've been top-5). If Larkin ends up being more Ty Lawson (which Lawson had a much stronger resume, IMO) than any number of undersized washouts, then hopefully it's with the Jazz.
 
Hayward may not be as athletic as Paul George but Hayward's bball iq is head and shoulders above George, it's not even close, and that makes up for not being as athletic and it's not to say Gordon isn't athletic because he has shocked us all and will do more shocking.

paul george is also a much better 3 point shooter...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHmRykTdh8E

hayward shot 2 for 13 in 4 games from 3, including an O-for during the home games
 
To head off something...

The difference between the discussion of Paul George and Larkin is that it is abundantly clear that George is NBA-size and NBA-proven. How much an inch here or there helps him isn't totally clear. Two inches in height, 6 inches in wingspan, 8 inches in reach, and 20 pounds is a lot of size to be missing when you already are playing the smallest position on the floor and you haven't proven anything in the NBA.

As Larkin compares to Millsap as prospects, I wouldn't have drafted Millsap at the end of the lottery in that draft either (knowing what was known at the time, knowing what we know now, Millsap would've been top-5). If Larkin ends up being more Ty Lawson (which Lawson had a much stronger resume, IMO) than any number of undersized washouts, then hopefully it's with the Jazz.

??? To me George vs Hayward = Schroeder vs Larkin.

George = Schroeder: both unknown quantity at the draft, both tantalizing physical specimen at draft

Larkin = Hayward: both leaders of their team, both more or less known quantities (i.e., both can shoot the 3's, both have high bball IQ, both not good physically as the other pair


So when you're comparing George and Larkin I'm scratching my head a bit..
 
So when you're comparing George and Larkin I'm scratching my head a bit..

Two different topics, similar subject matter. I'm not really comparing them against each other. I'm pre-emptively responding to part 2 of, "But wait, you just said that being tall is the only thing that matters and it applies equally to all players in all contexts regardless of any other variable. What gives?" (hence "To head off something...")
 
Two different topics, similar subject matter. I'm not really comparing them against each other. I'm pre-emptively responding to part 2 of, "But wait, you just said that being tall is the only thing that matters and it applies equally to all players in all contexts regardless of any other variable. What gives?" (hence "To head off something...")

Our God is a God who gives.
 
No to Larkin. His ceiling is Augustine or Robinson? If that's the case you could probably get one of those guys in the off season without wasting a draft pick.

Honest question out of pure ignorance.

Larkin physically measures up to Ty Lawson. What exactly does Lawson possess that separates him from Larkin? Is Larkin just not a good enough scorer?
 
Honest question out of pure ignorance.

Larkin physically measures up to Ty Lawson. What exactly does Lawson possess that separates him from Larkin? Is Larkin just not a good enough scorer?

I'd say FG%. Lawson averaged over 50% for 3 years in college, IIRC. Thats how he makes up for his lack of height-- his finishing ability is uncanny.

Larkin peaked at 47% this season.

To me, this is what sets them apart. I think Lawson's finishing ability > Larkin's.
 
Honest question out of pure ignorance.

Larkin physically measures up to Ty Lawson. What exactly does Lawson possess that separates him from Larkin? Is Larkin just not a good enough scorer?

No they don't.

According to DraftExpress:

- Ty Lawson is 5'11.25" and 6'0.75" wingspan

- Shane 5'10.25" and 5'10.75" wingspan

So Lawson is a whole inch taller and a couple of inches on the wingspan. In a game of inches, those measurements count.


Lawson also seems to be a bit "bulkier" similar to Burke - so he can take the knocks and bruises better on both the offensive and the defensive ends.
 
paul george is also a much better 3 point shooter...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHmRykTdh8E

hayward shot 2 for 13 in 4 games from 3, including an O-for during the home games


Paul George shot 23% from three in his first playoff series-- and he is currently a career 26% shooter from 3 point-land in the playoffs.


Try again. Even Al Jefferson can nail miraculous threes to send games to overtimes.


Not to mention the contrast in 3PP between the two players this season. All that George has is that he averages more three-point attempts-- unsurprising when you understand that he plays nearly 10 more minutes per game. George is by no means a clear-cut better shooter as of this point.
 
No they don't.

According to DraftExpress:

- Ty Lawson is 5'11.25" and 6'0.75" wingspan

- Shane 5'10.25" and 5'10.75" wingspan

So Lawson is a whole inch taller and a couple of inches on the wingspan. In a game of inches, those measurements count.


Lawson also seems to be a bit "bulkier" similar to Burke - so he can take the knocks and bruises better on both the offensive and the defensive ends.

Standing reach:
Lawson 7' 10.5"
Larkin 7' 5.5"
 
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