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****ty Smurf is so weak. Runs to negs when he gets placed. Love that I can get into you Freakazoid. Good vibes coming back to you, you miserable wretch.
 
Qman said:
Draftexpress has had a series examining the mental make-up of the guys who have beat the odds: Draymond Green, Jimmy Butler and Patrick Beverly. In the articles it makes a connection between some very important personality traits that allow them to overcome some odds.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIQ6OLQrxdE
 
I think Handlotgen's really killing it on why Locke's take (thus far) on Kaminsky is short-sighted.

But Locke nevertheless does make the point that DL has done well with long-toolsy types such as Leonard and Gobert that need skill development. I think Locke adds that these guys have had the drive to work and be great. Is anybody out there like that? I'm guessing that Looney may be the closest. Not sure I'm sold on Oubre's drive (though to be honest, don't know enough about Looney's drive one way or the other, but I think his in-game motor is generally better).

I think Locke errs when he said that Leonard and Gobert are also great athletes. They're certainly very good, but it's not the vertical leaps that are most impressive; lateral ability, body control, etc. is as much or more of a factor. Again, here, I think Looney should at least be explored, but no idea if he measures up.
 
Don't know if anybody's made a Kelly Oubre/Wesley Johnson comparison yet. Maybe there's something to it. Seemed to have been regarded as similarly tooled players. Very similar size (including reach -- Oubre a bit better in wingspan, Johnson in standing reach).

Despite the general narrative, Johnson was pretty good as a freshman -- not quite as good as Oubre, but probably not as far behind as many imagine. Both had questions coming out about their motor/toughness.

Actually if Johnson had been drafted #12, we'd probably think there's nothing particularly wrong with the way his career has played out.
 
The word upside is stupid. When 3/5 of the All NBA 1st team have "limited upside" on their draft scouting profiles, you gotta wonder if the word has any meaning at all.

That's as up as it gets.
 
ThaPhunkPhenomenon said:
When is the last time a Trex turned out ok? Kevin Willis?
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Frank's not a T-rex. Doesn't have a great wingspan, but standing reach matters too, esp. for bigs. Frank's standing reach is equal to (among others):
Andre Drummond
Steven Adams
Tiago Splitter

Is 1/2" below Derrick Favors and LaMarcus Aldridge

And is higher than:
Taj Gibson
Greg Monroe
Tristan Thompson
Myers Leonard
Festus Ezeli
Anthony Davis
Mason Plumlee
Noah Vonleh
Greg Monroe
Nene
Chris Bosh
Amare Stoudemire
Kwame Brown
Al Horford
Joachim Noah
 
idiot said:
Don't know if anybody's made a Kelly Oubre/Wesley Johnson comparison yet. Maybe there's something to it. Seemed to have been regarded as similarly tooled players. Very similar size (including reach -- Oubre a bit better in wingspan, Johnson in standing reach).

Despite the general narrative, Johnson was pretty good as a freshman -- not quite as good as Oubre, but probably not as far behind as many imagine. Both had questions coming out about their motor/toughness.

Actually if Johnson had been drafted #12, we'd probably think there's nothing particularly wrong with the way his career has played out.
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Wesley was more explosive, a very quick jumper, and the much higher standing reach helped him finish dunks and lobs.
But I remember there was lots of interest in Johnson, this board was on its first iteration, plenty of people here wanted to move up for him.
Did KOC want to? Maybe. We had no assets at the time so that may have been a blessing in disguise.
 
Jazz4ever said:
Wesley was more explosive, a very quick jumper, and the much higher standing reach helped him finish dunks and lobs.
But I remember there was lots of interest in Johnson, this board was on its first iteration, plenty of people here wanted to move up for him.
Did KOC want to? Maybe. We had no assets at the time so that may have been a blessing in disguise.
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KOC defended the Hayward pick at the time, stating that G-Time was "the best player on the court" for much of the tournament (including the game against Syracuse). My impression was Jazz had Gordon higher than Wesley, but KOC could have been posturing.
 
idiot said:
I think Handlotgen's really killing it on why Locke's take (thus far) on Kaminsky is short-sighted.

But Locke nevertheless does make the point that DL has done well with long-toolsy types such as Leonard and Gobert that need skill development. I think Locke adds that these guys have had the drive to work and be great. Is anybody out there like that? I'm guessing that Looney may be the closest. Not sure I'm sold on Oubre's drive (though to be honest, don't know enough about Looney's drive one way or the other, but I think his in-game motor is generally better).

I think Locke errs when he said that Leonard and Gobert are also great athletes. They're certainly very good, but it's not the vertical leaps that are most impressive; lateral ability, body control, etc. is as much or more of a factor. Again, here, I think Looney should at least be explored, but no idea if he measures up.
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I would say that Portis belongs in the upside conversation. As a defensive specimen, he's more well-rounded than just about anyone that is a big and can shoot a basketball and he's a hustler on top of that. He's just a sophomore, and if the Jazz have some shooting coaching magic, could maybe help clean his form up a little (which to me is my only clear concern, but he seems to have decent touch on it).
 
Catchall said:
I still like Turner and Portis ahead of Kaminsky. I'm afraid players will just run by Kaminsky and he won't be able to keep up defensively.
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I love all of them. But when I mentioned Turner people said he has major issues laterally. Shrug. Do you know anything to dispel this?
 
NUMBERICA said:
I would say that Portis belongs in the upside conversation. As a defensive specimen, he's more well-rounded than just about anyone that is a big and can shoot a basketball and he's a hustler on top of that. He's just a sophomore, and if the Jazz have some shooting coaching magic, could maybe help clean his form up a little (which to me is my only clear concern, but he seems to have decent touch on it).
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Yeah, almost any one of several players has something to really like. Hard to get attached to any one or two favorites.
 
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