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****ty Smurf is so weak. Runs to negs when he gets placed. Love that I can get into you Freakazoid. Good vibes coming back to you, you miserable wretch.

Lol...MY FIRST SIG!!! looks like I'm smurfin' on up in the world.:p Guess I'll have to re-think my opinion of mr. freakazoid, as we now have something in common. Also, if you are the one getting the best of me, how come I'm not screaming at you in my sig:confused: Anyway, have a smurfy day!
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I wonder how instructive the career of Meyers Leonard might be in helping us think about Frank Kaminsky. They're quite different players, to be sure: Leonard looks more the part of an athletic center; Kaminsky is more skilled at dribbling, assists and perhaps posting up, and probably has a better feel for the game.

But there are some similarities. Both were nothing to speak of as freshman centers in the Big 10. They could barely get off their respective benches. Both made great leaps (per-40 minutes as sophomores). The biggest difference was that Leonard got substantially more minutes as a sophomore, though their overall effectiveness per minute played looked fairly similar.

Then Kaminsky really blossomed as a junior and blew up as a senior. Leonard on the other hand was drafted (11th). He spent two years looking quite overwhelmed, like perhaps he had little future in the league. But this year, despite several DNPs and playing fewer minutes per game (15) than he did as a rookie, he's emerged as a very intriguing player for the future. He shot 51% from the field, including 42% from 3 (45% of his shots were 3s), and 91% from the line (though he almost never got to the line). According to B-Reference, his offensive rating was 117 and defensive was 102. He's rocketed up to a RPM rank of 29th among centers (from being in the slot below Enes Kanter a year ago -- at #63).

All this despite not really having a game that features the athletic tools he has -- he's become primarily a jump shooter, and maybe a better 4 than 5. I take it not everyone in the Blazers organization is completely sold on him yet, but the fans generally appear very optimistic.

Kaminsky is one year younger than Leonard is now, and so if there is any similarity in paths, Leonard's big breakout year (3rd NBA season) occurred at the age that Kaminsky will be a rookie.

I know that every player's path is different, but what do you see as potential similarities/differences? Will Kaminsky's relative lack of athleticism doom him to lower NBA production? Or will Kaminsky's seemingly more skilled and varied offensive arsenal mitigate that?

If Kaminsky turns into a something of a Meyers Leonard, will you be satisfied (we're, of course, not even sure that Leonard can play an effective 25 mpg in the NBA yet)? Should we expect a period of Kaminsky looking overwhelmed?
 
I wonder how instructive the career of Meyers Leonard might be in helping us think about Frank Kaminsky. They're quite different players, to be sure: Leonard looks more the part of an athletic center; Kaminsky is more skilled at dribbling, assists and perhaps posting up, and probably has a better feel for the game.

But there are some similarities. Both were nothing to speak of as freshman centers in the Big 10. They could barely get off their respective benches. Both made great leaps (per-40 minutes as sophomores). The biggest difference was that Leonard got substantially more minutes as a sophomore, though their overall effectiveness per minute played looked fairly similar.

Then Kaminsky really blossomed as a junior and blew up as a senior. Leonard on the other hand was drafted (11th). He spent two years looking quite overwhelmed, like perhaps he had little future in the league. But this year, despite several DNPs and playing fewer minutes per game (15) than he did as a rookie, he's emerged as a very intriguing player for the future. He shot 51% from the field, including 42% from 3 (45% of his shots were 3s), and 91% from the line (though he almost never got to the line). According to B-Reference, his offensive rating was 117 and defensive was 102. He's rocketed up to a RPM rank of 29th among centers (from being in the slot below Enes Kanter a year ago -- at #63).

All this despite not really having a game that features the athletic tools he has -- he's become primarily a jump shooter, and maybe a better 4 than 5. I take it not everyone in the Blazers organization is completely sold on him yet, but the fans generally appear very optimistic.

Kaminsky is one year younger than Leonard is now, and so if there is any similarity in paths, Leonard's big breakout year (3rd NBA season) occurred at the age that Kaminsky will be a rookie.

I know that every player's path is different, but what do you see as potential similarities/differences? Will Kaminsky's relative lack of athleticism doom him to lower NBA production? Or will Kaminsky's seemingly more skilled and varied offensive arsenal mitigate that?

If Kaminsky turns into a something of a Meyers Leonard, will you be satisfied (we're, of course, not even sure that Leonard can play an effective 25 mpg in the NBA yet)? Should we expect a period of Kaminsky looking overwhelmed?

As noted their games are not similar. I want to see Leonard's percentages next year to make sure they aren't fluky.

There is something to be learned though I think. Leonard was billed as an athletic 7 footer who was unpolished. He really didn't know how to play and couldn't do much other than be big. Now that he can shoot he's become an effective rotation player. He's still not a great defensive player but is making improvements in his early 20s. He's now a legit rotation big.

I just don't know if we understand how effective stretch bigs are... Look at rpm for some of these guys over the last two years. It's such an asset to have.

I get it if people don't want frank but don't just say he's a senior no thanks... Or proclaim him to be a stiff while saying Myles turner is much quicker... Look at what he does well and what he struggles with and tell me why it does or doesn't translate.
 
Lol...MY FIRST SIG!!! looks like I'm smurfin' on up in the world.:p Guess I'll have to re-think my opinion of mr. freakazoid, as we now have something in common. Also, if you are the one getting the best of me, how come I'm not screaming at you in my sig:confused: Anyway, have a smurfy day!
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I just remember how mad you got last time I put you in my sig and you went on a neg tirade against me like a nerd. I can't wait to see the brilliance you bring this time around.
 
Could anyone explain to me why Frank K isn't listed higher on mock drafts? To me, he looks like and plays exactly like Pau Gasol. Neither are explosive athletes. But both are 7 feet tall, extremely skilled, and very fluid in their movements.

Even if Frank "busts" isn't he still better than most centers/PFs coming off the bench? I'm thinking even if he busts he's still Money Memo lite as his 3 pt shot will always be a threat that teams must defend against.

Frank, Book, Burks, off the bench? Yes please. Add Patty Mills to the act and we will be in the playoffs no sweat next year.
 
Could anyone explain to me why Frank K isn't listed higher on mock drafts? To me, he looks like and plays exactly like Pau Gasol. Neither are explosive athletes. But both are 7 feet tall, extremely skilled, and very fluid in their movements.

Hmmm... There are some similarities. I think Pau has a larger wingspan though so he's longer than frank. Pau plays more back to the basket and I think has a stronger base (not sure when he was 22... Remember him being skinnier). Frank plays post but also pick and pop with a face up drive game. Both good passers. If 21 year old Pau played college ball what would it look like? It's an interesting thought and one I hadn't really considered.

I don't know why he couldn't be as effective as Pau once he's fully developed and probably has some similar lateral deficiencies on D that Pau did. Basically the arguments I've heard are he is old and will suck on defense. Not sure why those same guys aren't arguing against Okafor cuz he beat up on 6'8" guys in the post, sucks worse than frank on defense and cant shoot free throws. I think frank is in play anywhere from 8-15.
 
I have changed who I want at 12 after watching some more videos.
I wanted oubre before but now I want Frank the tank
 
Has RHJ been shooting up the draft-express board recently? Up to #13 now. They have Porz at #10 now, I would absolutely love him, over Kaminsky and Turner for sure (if he's coming over reasonably soon).
 
Has RHJ been shooting up the draft-express board recently? Up to #13 now. They have Porz at #10 now, I would absolutely love him, over Kaminsky and Turner for sure (if he's coming over reasonably soon).

Man if we could get either it would be neat.
 
Has RHJ been shooting up the draft-express board recently? Up to #13 now. They have Porz at #10 now, I would absolutely love him, over Kaminsky and Turner for sure (if he's coming over reasonably soon).

He is the player that fits the DL drafting mode. A Kawhi Leonard type who needed alot of offensive help. I'm sure they will want to bring him in for workouts.
 
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