Following potential 2017 draftees...

[seattlejazzfan]

There's already overwhelming evidence that the 1-and-done rule is nonsense. You may have heard of; LeBron James, Dwight Howard, Kobe Bryant, Tracy McGrady, Kevin Garnett..

Moses Malone was drafted out of HS to the Utah Stars, I think that worked out okay for him..



Not every year, but sometimes there are SUREFIRE talents..

players whos talent belies their age... people act like those players don't exist, but clearly they do..

DeAndre Ayton would be one of the top picks in the draft this year.. EASILY he'd be the top bigman on ALL boards..

Those are the true players who suffer from the rule, the true cream of the crop.. To me it's just not what sports is about, that rule is agreed upon by the players association because they know if players such as Dennis Smith were allowed in the draft pool last year, and players like Colin Sexton were allowed in the draft this year,it'd change the landscape of the FA market and ultimately more vets would get pushed out of the league quicker..

But you don't just have the LeBrons and Dwights of the world coming out early, you have guys who aren't ready or simply aren't good, yet teams spend early picks on them because they can't pass on the potential next Kobe or the next Dwight.

My opinion is selfish. I want to have a chance to see them at the higher level against and with real coaching, size, maturity and athleticism before my team has top use a pick on a guy who really can't play.

 

[Game6Conley]

But you don't just have the LeBrons and Dwights of the world coming out early, you have guys who aren't ready or simply aren't good, yet teams spend early picks on them because they can't pass on the potential next Kobe or the next Dwight.

My opinion is selfish. I want to have a chance to see them at the higher level against and with real coaching, size, maturity and athleticism before my team has top use a pick on a guy who really can't play.

U know Coach Cal was the coach when the Nets drafted Kerry Kittles over Kobe right? Paraphrasing ofc but as he tells it now. He needed to win right away, under lots of pressure to produce instantly and went with the more polished player..

OFC there's a lot of elements to the draft involved but to remove this one part of it and say "eureka!! We've solved the riddle, now teams are less likely to pick busts!" is steeped in FICTION..

It's not like the draft is the be-all-end all.. Look at the Monta Ellis, Lou Williams, Amir Johnson and CJ Miles of the world.. Kendrick Perkins had a long run..

Most Knicks fans will remember at or around the peak of Andrew Bynum's career Isiah Thomas came out and said he thought Bynum was the most talented pick at the time, but they went with Channing Frye apparently because they thought he could handle the city better..

It'd wreck college basketball now that the culture has changed to what it is now.. The starpower would be sucked out, it'd be more of a regional, hardcore fanatic type of deal. Recruitment would change drastically.

At the end of the day the rule is a sham. The best college basketball programs are that because they emulate pro style conditioning and play styles.. so u can't convince me that learning from the real ****ing thing isn't better off for players growth trajectories when it comes to certain gifted individuals.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Dude is 6'7" 240 at 16. How much of him dominating is simply being bigger, stronger and more athletic than everybody else?

It's why i love the one and done. Let's see what he does against 19-23 year olds before my team spends a top 3 pick on him.

If he is 6'7 240 at 16 he is probably going to be bigger/stronger/more athletic than 99% of college by the time he is 18.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

But you don't just have the LeBrons and Dwights of the world coming out early, you have guys who aren't ready or simply aren't good, yet teams spend early picks on them because they can't pass on the potential next Kobe or the next Dwight.

My opinion is selfish. I want to have a chance to see them at the higher level against and with real coaching, size, maturity and athleticism before my team has top use a pick on a guy who really can't play.

Yeah but your team also might draft a guy out of HS later than he we would have gone if he blew up his freshman year at college. Would the Jazz ever been able to draft CJ Miles in the 20's if he went to Texas?

 

[Game6Conley]

There's a decently famous quote from Jim Rohn that I think applies to the 1ndone rule and it's;

“You are the average of the five people you spend the most time with.”

There's a certain archetype that is built to fall in line like that.. and Dante Exum was certainly appraised to be that by many, many teams..

It's just common sense..

I mean put yourself in the shoes of a player like DeAndre Ayton or a really good young player who's worked so hard at the craft that their ready for the lottery.. wouldn't you rather be on an NBA team, practicing and traveling around vets having the chance to pick their brains for all sorts of wisdom, and getting live reps vs pros.. To me it makes sense that more of the progress would rub off.. Good habits, pro habits, could be formed earlier (obviously if u get the wrong archetype it could be a hindrance, but thats why these teams have scouts..)

Full disclosure; I'm apt to have a hit the ground running mentality.

 

[Game6Conley]

Yeah but your team also might draft a guy out of HS later than he we would have gone if he blew up his freshman year at college. Would the Jazz ever been able to draft CJ Miles in the 20's if he went to Texas?

Pretty sure that was the thought process behind the Raptors taking Tracy McGrady.. "We're not gonna have a chance at this guy next year"

 

[Game6Conley]

Ultimately right now the Jazz are one of the big losers from this rule because of the way their roster and cap is structured, and because of all the picks they've got stockpiled..

The list of high risk high reward players to take fliers on would undeniably be much deeper, especially if HS players were allowed to test the waters like the new draft rules have..

The rule limits variety, it's a fact that there aren't all types of players in every draft. Teams should be able to locate projects they wish to develop and draft them early IMO. There's so much $$$ involved those bets are seemingly trivial in cost but the ramifications are potentially awesome..

U could argue playoff teams could take potential lottery talents off the board a year early and it hurts the re-builders... but look at the distribution of power in the NBA as is.. You have less than a handful of true contenders..

 

[Game6Conley]

D Lindsey himself said that he'd argue the older players(i'm guessing he's talking 22-24yo's) are actually higher risk because if they don't produce right away you've got a dud..

 

[Game6Conley]

It's already the offseason for Ohio State who didn't earn an NIT invite. 22-year old Junior 7-footer Trevor Thompson has declared for the draft.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7TtT1YUkgo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPyBaBrqQM0

 

[Jazz4ever]

Ultimately right now the Jazz are one of the big losers from this rule because of the way their roster and cap is structured, and because of all the picks they've got stockpiled..

The list of high risk high reward players to take fliers on would undeniably be much deeper, especially if HS players were allowed to test the waters like the new draft rules have..

The rule limits variety, it's a fact that there aren't all types of players in every draft. Teams should be able to locate projects they wish to develop and draft them early IMO. There's so much $$$ involved those bets are seemingly trivial in cost but the ramifications are potentially awesome..

U could argue playoff teams could take potential lottery talents off the board a year early and it hurts the re-builders... but look at the distribution of power in the NBA as is.. You have less than a handful of true contenders..

I bet DL would vote against it.

 

[Game6Conley]

I bet DL would vote against it.

I think a lot of front offices would, it's unscrupulous. Andrew Bynum played his first game 6 days after his 18th birthday. I'd make the rule "In the year you turn 18" and not restrict it to classes or 1 year college buffers.

I know a bunch of old people are hopped up about ageism, I've heard Dickie V blather on about it on TV. This rule is essentially agism vs young people.

It's not to protect the brand or any ******** like that, that's all a complete ruse.

There would be an initial boon of talent into the first draft class the rule gets reversed from though. So a few teams would benefit. and subsequent clearing out of the following classes.. but a domino effect would happen and I think in turn we'd see more integrity as far as 20 year old HS seniors and **** of that nature..

This class system is being abused, manipulated, loopholes have been exploited and publicized, it's a ****ing sham and it's territoriality biased AGAINST domestic players.. Play HS ball in the states that means you OWE the NCAA a year of service basically.. in 99.99% of the cases (other than the select few who might have pro options overseas)

If Williamson went and established himself as a Canadian Citizen years ago he'd be draft eligible in 2019 straight out of HS in his natural class that his parents enrolled him into when he was young..

now because he's in South Carolina where he was born he's not eligible til 2020 -- Unless he were to re-classify up into the SR class next year and finish his coursework.. Which is stupid, there's no reason players should be forced into doing that sort of thing as a business decision in their teenage years... but the rule has forced their hand and it becomes prudent to explore all sorts of options.....

 

[Game6Conley]

I have a "well I'll be damned" reaction to these and many other Isaac Bonga highlights. This **** is undeniably impressive.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiigVVnPl5I

This kid is such a lights out talent If the rule was "the year you turn 18" and no 1-and-done, he'd be a no-brainer to promise with the 25th pick for Utah this year in my book.. He's as positionless as it gets other than Giannis and Bron and could still be growing, he's 17 and already a legit 6'10..

Worst case to me he seems like a much better version of Kyle Anderson. best case u have some sort of Magic Johnson variation. Projected lottery pick in 2018 as is..