I'm not a believer in Woodard. We're talking about real ball skills here. Paul Reed would probably be better than Woodard, and he probably isn't going to cut it either.
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As can't be said enough in my case, I'm claiming no particular expertise, but:
Here's where I'm at now on the 5 players we seem to be centering on.
Woodard: cleanest fit for seeing playing time next season, assuming Jazz roster doesn't change much through trade or FA (and Clarkson is retained); Jazz absolutely need the kind of athleticism he offers -- could perhaps even start, depending on how much Quin values his size, if defense is legit and offense matches or exceeds initial expectations -- lack of creation/feel on offense worries me a bit, but if he's the 5th option, I think he'll be OK -- I think I buy his shot long-term, as it looks smooth/easy (if a bit slow) -- offers the most defensive versatility
Bane: likeliest to be most ready to contribute next year -- I really like his feel/passing, am quite confident in his shot -- I worry about his athleticism, though I think he can still be a productive, winning player -- not sure I see a path for him to get minutes next year if we retain Clarkson (we have too many players who will/should be playing at 2/3)
Green: I love his defensive instincts and feet -- not at all sold that he'll offer much other than decent ball movement and the occasional flash of athleticism on the fast break offensively, but maybe he develops into something more -- like Bane, it's hard for me to see him having a path to minutes next year if Clarkson is around -- if there are long-term concerns about Donovan's defense, maybe he makes sense as someone who can fit with Donovan and take the tougher guard matchup -- hard to see (at least over the next year or two) how he gives us anything different than what Royce, and perhaps even Oni, gives us
McDaniels: I'm doubtful on him -- I can see the flashes and why the Jazz might bet on him, but I'd have to be more trusting/hopeful than optimistic about him reaching his potential -- I do like his: quickness, ability to block shots as a help defender, ability to get a shot
Tyler Bey: I wouldn't mind him, but wouldn't have great hopes either -- I'd have the most hope in his help defense and rebounding, along with the occasional athletic highlight -- I'd worry about his relative thinness for his position against certain competition, his shot, and general feel within an offense like the Jazz's
Here's where I'm at now on the 5 players we seem to be centering on.
Woodard: cleanest fit for seeing playing time next season, assuming Jazz roster doesn't change much through trade or FA (and Clarkson is retained); Jazz absolutely need the kind of athleticism he offers -- could perhaps even start, depending on how much Quin values his size, if defense is legit and offense matches or exceeds initial expectations -- lack of creation/feel on offense worries me a bit, but if he's the 5th option, I think he'll be OK -- I think I buy his shot long-term, as it looks smooth/easy (if a bit slow) -- offers the most defensive versatility
Bane: likeliest to be most ready to contribute next year -- I really like his feel/passing, am quite confident in his shot -- I worry about his athleticism, though I think he can still be a productive, winning player -- not sure I see a path for him to get minutes next year if we retain Clarkson (we have too many players who will/should be playing at 2/3)
Green: I love his defensive instincts and feet -- not at all sold that he'll offer much other than decent ball movement and the occasional flash of athleticism on the fast break offensively, but maybe he develops into something more -- like Bane, it's hard for me to see him having a path to minutes next year if Clarkson is around -- if there are long-term concerns about Donovan's defense, maybe he makes sense as someone who can fit with Donovan and take the tougher guard matchup -- hard to see (at least over the next year or two) how he gives us anything different than what Royce, and perhaps even Oni, gives us
McDaniels: I'm doubtful on him -- I can see the flashes and why the Jazz might bet on him, but I'd have to be more trusting/hopeful than optimistic about him reaching his potential -- I do like his: quickness, ability to block shots as a help defender, ability to get a shot
Tyler Bey: I wouldn't mind him, but wouldn't have great hopes either -- I'd have the most hope in his help defense and rebounding, along with the occasional athletic highlight -- I'd worry about his relative thinness for his position against certain competition, his shot, and general feel within an offense like the Jazz's
Functional comps/roles for the guys you just listed:
1) Woodard = Jamychal Green if we're lucky. That might be his ceiling. I'm not convinced he can shoot.
2) Bane = I'll go with Tony Jones' Wes Matthew's comp, though he's more a combo guard than a 2. Not sure he's really better than Jahmius Ramsey in the end.
3) Green = Donte Divincenzo, a fairly athletic 3D guard who can shoot at an avg rate and defend 2 positions.
4) McDaniels = Play him like he's Jerami Grant for a while then see if he can do more.
5) Bey = Backup defensive wing like Larry Nance Jr. Can guard 3 positions and provide energy.
1) Woodard = Jamychal Green if we're lucky. That might be his ceiling. I'm not convinced he can shoot.
2) Bane = I'll go with Tony Jones' Wes Matthew's comp, though he's more a combo guard than a 2. Not sure he's really better than Jahmius Ramsey in the end.
3) Green = Donte Divincenzo, a fairly athletic 3D guard who can shoot at an avg rate and defend 2 positions.
4) McDaniels = Play him like he's Jerami Grant for a while then see if he can do more.
5) Bey = Backup defensive wing like Larry Nance Jr. Can guard 3 positions and provide energy.
Theo Maledon could still be in play for the Jazz. He can play next to Mitchell, both on and off the ball. Maledon might be French for George Hill. The only real problem with Maledon is that his steal rate is low.
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A team with the 23rd pick in a **** draft isn't going to find what you're looking for in a wing.
Woodard is a clunky player if viewed as a wing. I see his real potential as a 4 and maybe even as a 5. Good rebounder, built like a truck, shows real ability to protect the rim (and we really could use a second-line rim protector against spread offenses, especially ones that have the athleticism to cover ground).
His off-the-bounce play is bad and his shot is slow and weird. Slotting him as a perimeter player (rather than a stretchy, switch, bouncy big) is a mistake in my mind and whether he sinks or swims in this league might be determined by how a team sees and utilizes him positionally.
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Game6Conley
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When Robert Woodard played for Team USA as a youth player he was closer to 6'5" and was very much a swingman and impressed with his 3pt shooting and all around game IIRC.... He's only recently grown into the tweener forward he's pegged as in most places.
When teams were recruiting Woodard, and it was never much of a recruitment at all was a pretty poorly kept secret he was going to MSU like his father, those teams were recruting a swingman, not a forward.
Thee Jazz Fan
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@Saint Cy of JFC or anyone else, what are your thoughts on Vernon Carey? Can he play the 4? Can he shoot threes or is he just a center in the nba?
Nice vid on Paul Reed. I'd take Reed ahead of Woodard. He's a better, more versatile defender at this stage.
Carey is a beast, but he might not be able to guard in space at all. I don't think he could play at the 4 in the modern game. His role projects as a backup 5. He can shoot a bit, but he's naturally a guy who wants to score in the paint. At best, he could be like a slightly smaller version of Demarcus Cousins, but his lack of length hurts his ability to guard the rim. So that makes him a backup, like Enes Kanter, or a better version of Caleb Swanigan. He's just an odd fit for the modern game.
If he can really turn himself into a stretch shooter, then he becomes more interesting--similar to Jontay Porter.
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