Tremendous Upside
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Zion sounds good to me too. I mean he might get into trouble with random porn stars or buffet tables, but at least we'd have a real playmaker.
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seattlejazzfan
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i'd take zion in a heartbeat. problem is, NOP would too which is why in spite of all the problems and games missed, they are hanging on to him. his talent is too tantalizing. and man he looked pretty damn good in that one game back.,
I mean, that is yet to be seen. We have no idea what their future plans are at this point.
But I would tend to agree they are probably going to hold out hope they can land a top pick to pair with Zion and continue the dream.
SoberasHotRod
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Zion was healthy last year. He played 70 games. He averaged 23pts on 57/33/70, 6 reb, 5ast, 2 stocks. Had an OBPM of 3.3, a DBPM of 0.6. He did not make the all star game or any all nba teams.
He's a very good player when healthy, and if the risk was reasonable he would stay healthy for the majority of his games he would be worth trying to acquire. Also, if the prices is low enough he would be worth trying to acquire. I don't think he's a good enough player when healthy to risk a lot though.
He's a very good player when healthy, and if the risk was reasonable he would stay healthy for the majority of his games he would be worth trying to acquire. Also, if the prices is low enough he would be worth trying to acquire. I don't think he's a good enough player when healthy to risk a lot though.
LOL - that Texas team had 10 scholarship players, 3 players total who eventually got drafted, all 3 of whom were freshmen at the time. They played a seven man rotation, all of whom were freshmen and sophomores. This Duke team has at least 4-5 pros (potentially 6), goes nine deep, and has at least some semblance of vet presence in the backcourt.
So I’m not calling you out but asking general questions about shooting form:
Is it better if a bad shooter has “bad form” and can correct what is theoretically holding him back or is it better if the bad shooter has “good form” but is still bad?
I’ve seen it both ways. If he has bad form, he can become a good shooter because he can fix his form. If he has good form, well he can become a good shooter because his form is fine. Just in this draft cycle I’ve seen people say Ace will be a good shooter strictly based on his form, and now we have someone else whose bad form inspires future confidence in his shot.
I struggle to make much of form because it feels like we just apply whatever narrative we want to a prospect we like/dislike.
We see both in reality. I’ve seen the most broken of broken forms turn into good form and it result in better shooting. I’ve also seen guys with great form eventually become great shooters. But how much can we actually attribute that to form (or lack thereof) versus whatever else could cause a player to improve?
Also, good shooting form is subjective of course. There’s really no way of deciding whose form is truly the most effective.
SoberasHotRod
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Yeah, I have no idea. I hope the guys I like turn in to good shooters, and don't dismiss the idea that prospects, especially young ones, can get better at shooting.
One thing I have stuck in my head is that guys with good touch can be good shooters even if their form isn't great. I was listening to a podcast awhile back and they were talking about Mikal Bridges shooting and saying they weren't worried because he had good touch and would make whatever shooting motion work for him. I'm not 100% sure what "touch" is, but I kind of get it and it seems to make a little sense to me.
It's just a risk, especially when they are starting from a baseline of being not good.
You don’t get to do that. His weight is part of what makes him unstoppable, and it is also the reason he has stopped. It is core to who he has been.
Chargers Jazz Angels
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i would take this bet and i am not a betting person. (Meaning I would bet you that he will not)
Of course he wouldnt. No sane team would draft VJ top 3 unless like 5 other players tore their achilles in the pre-draft process.
I honestly dont even think he has a top 5 chance.
Flagg drains his first 3 of the game. He's going to finish the year above 35% from 3.
Flagg drains another 3. TU is in shambles. Maybe VJ can hit two 3's in his next 10 games.
Flagg 3/4 from 3
Flagg is clearly a leader too. Another big positive for him.
Don't think Malauch is particularly great, but probably a lottery pick with his size and movement
Flagg is insane. Most complete prospect in a long time.
brooklynese
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crossing fingers for this kid
Kas the consolation prize imo
The only negative with Flagg is that he is probably so good his rookie year he takes you out of realistic Dybansta contention.
Kon would be a solid pick in the 20's. I just cant see him as a lottery prospect at that size/athletic profile while not looking like an elite shooter. Really has a smaller Ingles feel to him, but Im not sure a smaller Ingles works all that well.