Following Potential 2025 Draftees

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

This is the exact narrative I don't get. Brice sored more per minute on better shooting splits than Tre. So how is he in a different tier as a scorer.

Because Brice's college game isn't fully translating to NBA speed and physicality. Brice's isolations get stifled by NBA defenders and often result in turnovers. Brice also isn't really a great movement shooter. Brice is a great catch-and-shoot player though. He's money from the corners and really good above the break. He's a bit like Bojan Bogdanovic.

Tre is a better shooter off movement and off balance. He plays faster. He creates off the dribble better. He's well suited to the NBA.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Which is what I've been saying. Tre needs to get stronger

There's nothing about his frame where I question if he will be able to.

 

[jom2003]

No comparison is perfect, Devin Booker also gets to the line a ton. He basically shoots at the rim and free throw line at the same rate as Thomas. In fact, Booker and Thomas have near identical shot distributions, but the point isn't to make mountains out of molehills. The comparison to Cam Thomas is one to say that Tre could be one of the better scorers in the league but he will likely struggle on defense and will have to improve as a playmaker. The more he improves his defense and playmaking the more you can consider him to be like a Herro or Booker. But there would be very few players who I'd say that would be the baseline expectation.

And shot distributions don't mean much in the money ball era I'm afraid. Everyone knows it's all about shots at the rim and the three ball nowadays. The fact the two players have similar shooting charts doesn't make them the same type of player. Just have to watch the game to see the difference.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Because Brice's college game isn't fully translating to NBA speed and physicality. Brice's isolations get stifled by NBA defenders and often result in turnovers. Brice also isn't really a great movement shooter. Brice is a great catch-and-shoot player though. He's money from the corners and really good above the break.

Tre is a better shooter off movement and off balance. He plays faster. He creates off the dribble better. He's well suited to the NBA.

Okay. I don't think their games are all that different. I think Tre is faster when he does it which may give him an advantage obviously... but we may also find out the same thing we did with Brice... their games don't translate perfectly. I also think its funny when folks are convinced prospect A is better than prospect B when their numbers are basically identical. It feels like cuz prospect A is the new shiny toy he can be anything but that anything will definitely be better than prospect B.

 

[NUMBERICA]

This is the type of guy that hits in the late teens 20s. We have collected so many players in the 6th man archetype that it doesn't make sense, but I discounted McCain last year because of fit. Jase is a guy I have my eye on to be the Maxey/McCain/Quickley/Simons/Key?/Collier? type guy that is under drafted because of perceived player type.

I should’ve added that I like Richardson but, yeah, don’t need another one of them cats here.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Honestly Ive been watching more Jase lately and I dont think it's crazy to think he's better than Kasparas.

 

[NAOS_pt2]

Okay. I don't think their games are all that different. I think Tre is faster when he does it which may give him an advantage obviously... but we may also find out the same thing we did with Brice... their games don't translate perfectly. I also think its funny when folks are convinced prospect A is better than prospect B when their numbers are basically identical. It feels like cuz prospect A is the new shiny toy he can be anything but that anything will definitely be better than prospect B.

I get what you're saying, 100%. But I do think that Tre moves so differently that the numbers-based comparisons between him and Brice need to be approached with caution.

(BTW, I'm a Brice Believer and I hope we end up with someone above Tre).

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Biw-gpBpenY&ab_channel=Swish


The play starting at 1:52 is kind of what made me rethink Richardson. That's a star move.

Think he's just a victim of playing on a team that has a lot of guards so he doesnt get to create as much as he could. His touch is pretty unreal.

 

[NAOS_pt2]

There's one other way to think about Edgecombe and that's whether he can be your on-ball guard at the 1. He hasn't been super sophisticated off the dribble or as a passer thusfar, but it's possible that he doesn't need to be. If you look at what Ja Morant does, for example, Ja basically starts at the top of the circle and either drives straight at the rim, takes an open jumper, or makes a fairly straightforward pass. Maybe Edgecombe can take some on-ball reps where he does something similar. He drives to put pressure on the rim and he either makes a big finish or a basic pass to another secondary creator. In other words, all he really needs to do is make the defense collapse on him.

No thanks. I wouldn't project him to be a positive in that role until his 3rd year or later (if ever). He looks like a good secondary creator. Let someone else create the initial advantage.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

Okay. I don't think their games are all that different. I think Tre is faster when he does it which may give him an advantage obviously... but we may also find out the same thing we did with Brice... their games don't translate perfectly. I also think its funny when folks are convinced prospect A is better than prospect B when their numbers are basically identical. It feels like cuz prospect A is the new shiny toy he can be anything but that anything will definitely be better than prospect B.

The more I fuss around with trying to figure out how good college players will be in the NBA, the more I realize just how different college and the NBA are. To put it bluntly, Tre Johnson is a better NBA athlete than Brice Sensabaugh is. Brice is barely athletic enough to play at this level. I'd expect this to become more clear during the Combine testing.

Put Brice on the same floor as Jerami Grant, Toumani Camara and Shaedon Sharpe, and Brice can't do much besides taking open catch-and-shoot jumpers. Brice has already put in good work to improve his body, but he still looks slow compared to guys like Svi and Juzang.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I get what you're saying, 100%. But I do think that Tre moves so differently that the numbers-based comparisons between him and Brice need to be approached with caution.

(BTW, I'm a Brice Believer and I hope we end up with someone above Tre).

I agree. I think Tre is a better prospect. I have seen Brice's style of creating space work this season and I think they are likely similar shooting prospects. I think he tries harder.

I do think there are benefits to both "styles" and maybe its the behind the scenes stuff with Brice that lands him in the doghouse.

 

[KqWIN]

And shot distributions don't mean much in the money ball era I'm afraid. Everyone knows it's all about shots at the rim and the three ball nowadays. The fact the two players have similar shooting charts doesn't make them the same type of player. Just have to watch the game to see the difference.

Shot distributions mean everything when you're specifically talking about the types of shots they take. If you want to be picky about comparisons, you will never find a comparison and thus it is pointless to talk about to begin with. Don't care to about the tiny details when the overall point is the same so we can just end it right there.