Following Potential 2025 Draftees

[NUMBERICA]

I don’t know how often this needs to be clarified (probably for all of time; thanks, NBA), but that is a without shoes measurement and for almost all of NBA history, they used in-shoes measurements AND rounded up.

Ant is the same size as Michael Jordan.

Dwayne Wade is 6’ 5” in shoes FWIW.

 

[NUMBERICA]

The tendency that really irks me is when someone uses without-shoes measurements when they don't like a guy, and with-shoes measurements when they like someone else.

Drives me nuts. This whole thing drives me nuts.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Still not tall for nba standards.

What planet are you from? Suddenly Michael Jordan struggled because of his size? Watch a ****ing game, dude.

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

What planet are you from? Suddenly Michael Jordan struggled because of his size? Watch a ****ing game, dude.

Never said anything about anyone struggling. Any was given as an example of a tall wing. At 6-4 - 6-5 he’s not tall

 

[KqWIN]

A player's height is whatever makes your argument better, that is the only official height. If you are making the point that a player is tall, you compare his height in shoes against players without shoes. If you're making the point that a player is small, compare his without shoes height against heights in shoes. The same goes for rounding. Take an inch, add an inch. Whatever is necessary to make your argument, that is the official measurement.

 

[fishonjazz]

Still not tall for nba standards.

There is more to size than height. I said I like big, athletic, scoring wings. Ant be big. Long limbs as well

 

[fishonjazz]

Never said anything about anyone struggling. Any was given as an example of a tall wing. At 6-4 - 6-5 he’s not tall

Ant was given as an example of a big wing.
Not tall

 

[NUMBERICA]

Donovan started out 6-3 (which would be the standard throughout NBA history), then as people tired of him (and to be fair, as the NBA started emphasizing without-shoes measurements more), he became 6-1 and the same as Conley.

Furthermore, Conley isn’t even 6’ without shoes, but he gets to be listed as 6’ 1”.

I’m quite certain Hakeem was 6’ 9” without shoes but is listed at 7”.

Wilt was genuinely massive and Bill Russell was 6’ 9”. We know how that went.

Maybe a better way to gauge this is how a player plays and their effectiveness at it.

Ant was given as an example of a big wing.
Not tall

There is also the question of length and strength that people usually leave out. Ant is strong as hell and uses it.

 

[seattlejazzfan]

There is more to size than height. I said I like big, athletic, scoring wings. Ant be big. Long limbs as well

i think more importantly, he has great positional size. as you mentioned, part of that just having an elite body more than just height.

 

[Tremendous Upside]

Ant is the same size as Michael Jordan.

And VJ. Who some people call "too small".

Go figure.

 

[Tremendous Upside]

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Dwayne Wade is 6’ 5” in shoes FWIW.

He most definitely is not. Try 6'3''.

 

[NUMBERICA]

He most definitely is not. Try 6'3''.

I know you’re doing your schtick or whatever but we have facts here. 6’ 3.75” without shoes: https://www.nba.com/stats/draft/combine-anthro?SeasonYear=2003-04

The soles on my running shoes are at least an inch thick (I literally just measured).

It remains to be seen what VJ’s actual measurements are. I’m sure you’ll be example 1A as to people that use whichever measurements best fit your narrative. He looks ~6’ 2” without shoes/maybe 6’ 4” with shoes to me and doesn’t look particularly long.

Update: found his Hoop Summit measurements. The supposed 6’ 3” without shoes looks generous to me, and 6’ 5” in shoes is either generous or he’s playing in heels. 6’ 5” wingspan is underwhelming, and relying on athleticism to impact the game is the least sustainable path to success.