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Handlogten's Heros said:
IDK... he seems more adequate than good. Ace is a no passer, so probably unfair to put them both together.
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ace can pass. his role was to score and his team was horrendous at shooting (one of the worst shooting teams in cfb), so his assist numbers are alarmingly low, but he can pass. don't get me wrong, i'm not saying he's an elite passer or that he has elite vision, but the base is there and he's adequate in that regard.

if one wants to cling to his production (i don't expect anybody to trust me or believe me when i say he can pass) as evidence that he can't pass that's fine. but he had essentially the exact assist numbers as durant at texas. and durant became a plus passer in the nba. point being, it's not as if passing ability can't swing the other way with a different role, different offensive scheme, more spacing, better coaching, better shooting teammates, general improvement with age and experience etc.
 
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I just saw a blurb that the Lakers are looking to move on from Dalton Knecht which isn't surprising in that he was involved in the trade with the Hornets that got undone. His regular season stats weren't awful but he fell out of the playoff rotation. Could trader Dan have some interest?
 
seattlejazzfan said:
ace can pass. his role was to score and his team was horrendous at shooting (one of the worst shooting teams in cfb), so his assist numbers are alarmingly low, but he can pass. don't get me wrong, i'm not saying he's an elite passer or that he has elite vision, but the base is there and he's adequate in that regard.

if one wants to cling to his production (i don't expect anybody to trust me or believe me when i say he can pass) as evidence that he can't pass that's fine. but he had essentially the exact assist numbers as durant at texas. and durant became a plus passer in the nba. point being, it's not as if passing ability can't swing the other way with a different role, different offensive scheme, more spacing, better coaching, better shooting teammates, general improvement with age and experience etc.
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I think he had zero potential assists in a game or two this year. The book on him is he isn't a good game processor. I think the passing is a big part of that. Every basketball player can pass... when I say he can pass I am saying he either isn't or is awful at it. A good pass here or there isn't proof he can pass it either. I think it is fair to label him as "can't pass" until he does it... regardless of what his role was last year.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I think he had zero potential assists in a game or two this year. The book on him is he isn't a good game processor. I think the passing is a big part of that. Every basketball player can pass... when I say he can pass I am saying he either isn't or is awful at it. A good pass here or there isn't proof he can pass it either. I think it is fair to label him as "can't pass" until he does it... regardless of what his role was last year.
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i'll just say this: as somebody who watched 30+ rutgers games this season, bailey's passing ability isn't a concern for me. if he were a flagg level passer, it would be incredible. he's not that. but if he were ultimately a jazz draft pick, i wouldn't even think twice about it. he'll be fine.

his ballhandling, otoh - that concerns me. it's my main concern and i think the main reason he took so many tough shots. now, it is absolutely something he can work on and improve a ton, but for now it's not good.

ftr, i really hope this doesn't come across as a "watch the games" type post. not that at all. just speaking honestly about bailey as somebody who did watch most of his games.
 
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Saint Cy of JFC said:
Uhh, it's the opposite.

Tre is potentially an elite shooter. Bailey it's a bit questionable, but I really believe he's going to be a high tier shooter (at least when you factor in size). Harper/Flagg are both really good off the catch.
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Huh, ok then. I will take it at face value. I have been reading bios on some of the top 10 likely picks and it seems a common knock from multiple web sites is somewhat suspect shooting across the board. A few of them are mentioned to be good shooters, but most seem to have that skill in the negative category.
 
I think more than passing we just need general playmaking. You need to be able to pass, but it's probably more important to be able to break down the defense to create those passing opportunities. We got guys who finish plays, but don't have a great primary ball handler who can break down the defense. I don't think Ace is a great passer, but Tre is not bad. While both are great at making tough shots, I don't think either are great at collapsing the defense and creating those playmaking opportunities.

I don't think we should be drafting for need anyways, but that's my two cents on that discussion.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Yeah it is, I just dont have great confidence it translates.
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And if everyone had confidence that it would, he’d easily go top-10.

My argument would be this: it’s prohibitively difficult/rare to get special players outside of the draft, so you draft players that could be special, especially if the risk is relatively low (in this case, it’s opportunity cost vs whoever’s left at 21… while already having too many prospects).

If Beringer is there at 21, I get taking him over Wolf. I think. But an auto-generated stretch 5? If I need one, I’ll trade for one or sign one.
 
homeytennis said:
I just saw a blurb that the Lakers are looking to move on from Dalton Knecht which isn't surprising in that he was involved in the trade with the Hornets that got undone. His regular season stats weren't awful but he fell out of the playoff rotation. Could trader Dan have some interest?
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Knecht is the same age as Juzang, and it's debatable if he's a better player at the current stage. In theory he is, but I don't think Knecht is a high priority. Brice, at least, should be better overall.
 
HermanG said:
Watching some tape and I'm getting a bit worried about Ace's handles. How common it is that guys his size develop solid handles after college?
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Tell me if you really think it's his handle that's limited, or if the issue is that he has no first step. If Ace has plenty of space or he brings the ball up full court, I think he's fine and fairly confident in his handle. When he tries to beat his defender, he can't because of his limited 1st step.

Trey Murphy was very limited off the dribble coming into the league. Last year (year 4), he showed a lot of improvement.
 
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