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I'll be interested in what you come up with. I don't think any of them will be positive defenders. Based on what I have seen live I would go Kon>Kas>>Fears>>>>>Tre

Yeah, I'd agree about none of them being positive defenders at the next level....but when I'm watching these clips, none of them are really THAT bad. And tbf, I still think clips that show highlights/lowlights don't paint the full picture so I'll have to find some full games to watch.

Another way to look at this is that it's the opposite of what we often say about college offense. I wouldn't say that college basketball is "harder" to play than NBA offense, but there are things that we generally accept that will make things easier in the NBA. Having better teammates, better spacing, better offensive systems ect. But that flips on the defensive end. Because of the lack of talent, it's easier to defend on an individual level and especially in a team concept. The NBA prospect level guys can often struggle to create at this level because of X, Y, Z. When it's not an NBA prospect level guy, the offense is just hopeless and defense is so easy.

There's a lot of clips of them guarding individually in isolation.....but it's guarding a guy who is probably not that good and the paint is clogged and there are no shooters. And these guys are good enough to lock those guys down in that situation. Kon, for example, is obviously not a great athlete by NBA standards, but at the college level guys are like bouncing off his chest at any contact and he's not really that slow compared to his opponents. He's like a defensive wall when guys test him. I think it can bait you into thinking he might do the same vs pros, but it's just a whole different sport.

And it's even more extreme in off ball defense scenarios. You don't have to be great at closeouts. There's no mental energy required to stay in the possession. You won't find yourself in a situation where you have to zone up two guys to let the defense recover. It doesn't matter if don't navigate a screen.....I can go on forever about this. Individual defense isn't less important in the NBA per say, but there's this giant list of things you have to do in addition to individual defense that do not come up at the NCAA level. It really is chest vs checkers.
 
So he plays nothing like how Morey or the 76ers want their players to play like, he's years and years away, didn't produce in college, but all of that is fine for a win-now 76ers team because he can be coached to play completely differently within several years?

VJ is not a great prospect, but he actually really produced in college whereas Ace was a distant #2 on a horrible team.
If the idea is that they want a win now piece, then they arent drafting at #3....
 
Sixers probably know their future is cooked, or at least is near cooked and them being not cooked relies completely on Embiid's knees being healthy, which is basically cooked. They are probably going to try and run a "two timelines" type of deal and fake compete until they can sell off Embiid and build around Maxey/McCain/Whoever they draft at 3.

So they are going to take whoever they think is the highest potential piece.
 
I think it would make sense if Morey does not like Ace, it's called Moreyball for a reason. OTOH, he seems like a swing for the fence kind of guy. I think he could like him if he sees him as a ball of clay and one that he can turn into a Moreyball player. He won't like him because of the mid range shot making which is the appeal for a lot of Ace's supporters.

I'm unsure of what timeline they are going to want to operate on. Their decision is the most up in the air for sure. I could see them drafting like 4 different players and I also think there's high potential for trade.
 
Sixers probably know their future is cooked, or at least is near cooked and them being not cooked relies completely on Embiid's knees being healthy, which is basically cooked. They are probably going to try and run a "two timelines" type of deal and fake compete until they can sell off Embiid and build around Maxey/McCain/Whoever they draft at 3.

So they are going to take whoever they think is the highest potential piece.

And it probably won't be them taking Ace as none of he, VJ, or Tre have very much potential. No one in this range does.
 
???

Other than... the fact that Ace rates badly by statistical models, takes no free throws, almost no layups, and few threes?

And the fact that he's extremely raw on both ends on what is probably a win now team?

It feels like I just listed five things and then you just pretended to not be able to read for a second.

Cool, he plays SF, he's also years and years away and didn't help Rutgers win basketball games.
Morey said he's taking the BPA and there’s not a statistical way in which Ace is his BPA at #3 based on his money ball model. Simple as that
 
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Morey said he's taking the BPA and there’s not a statistical way in whkch Ace is his BPA at #3 based on his money ball model. Simple as that
my guess is he doesn't base BPA entirely on statistics. - probably factors in statistics, age/potential, size, length, on ball defense, work ethic, how hard they play, are they coachable, etc - you know things that could determine whether a guy will be BPA in 3-5 years. that's just a guess as i have no clue how Morey determines BPA - but just a thought.
 
Darly Morey has never drafted in the top 10 and we have posters acting like they know his exact draft profile.
 
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