Following Potential 2025 Draftees

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

For years we have all said Lauri would be a amazing secondary scorer. Tre has a chance to be the primary scorer.

Guys like Yang, Kon, Queen, and VJ don't.

Ideally, I think Tre is probably your second guy -- an off-ball scorer who can be a secondary creator and can score in isolation. It's a lot to ask him to be the main guy.

 

[SoberasHotRod]

Not a bad point on Byrd and White. I do think I should have Byrd in the top 30 probably.

Is he staying in the draft?

I'm waiting until the 28th to start making updates on my big board.

 

[KqWIN]

I do like Byrd. Had my eye on him during the season, but just never checked in on him. He has great indicators. I get the sense that he was playing in a role too big for him, which is totally fine. Great role player potential. Don’t think he’s Derrick White where he’ll have PG ability, but he has enough ball skills to make some decisions with the ball.

 

[stitches]

For years we have all said Lauri would be a amazing secondary scorer. Tre has a chance to be the primary scorer.

Guys like Yang, Kon, Queen, and VJ don't.

We don't need just a scorer. We need offensive initiator, someone who can not just score for himself but create efficient offense for the whole team. Tre Johnson can barely create below average to average efficiency offense for himself. And gives you pretty much nothing else at average or above average level on the floor. He's below average creator for others, he's below average rebounder(this is one of my favorite hidden basic stats for guards that show you something about a player), he's below average defender too... You have to project a ton with him to be honest and a lot of the things he needs serious improvement with are not easy to project.

 

[KqWIN]

We don't need just a scorer. We need offensive initiator, someone who can not just score for himself but create efficient offense for the whole team. Tre Johnson can barely create below average to average efficiency offense for himself. And gives you pretty much nothing else at average or above average level on the floor. He's below average creator for others, he's below average rebounder(this is one of my favorite hidden basic stats for guards that show you something about a player), he's below average defender too... You have to project a ton with him to be honest and a lot of the things he needs serious improvement with are not easy to project.

The only thing I’d add here is that he is an above average passer….but passing/playmaking can be considered different things. He doesn’t break down the defense enough to create plays for others. But I think you’re right for the most part. He is a really great shooter/shot maker, but there is more to that when becoming a lead option.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

We don't need just a scorer. We need offensive initiator, someone who can not just score for himself but create efficient offense for the whole team. Tre Johnson can barely create below average to average efficiency offense for himself. And gives you pretty much nothing else at average or above average level on the floor. He's below average creator for others, he's below average rebounder(this is one of my favorite hidden basic stats for guards that show you something about a player), he's below average defender too... You have to project a ton with him to be honest and a lot of the things he needs serious improvement with are not easy to project.

Definitely underrating his passing.

 

[stitches]

The only thing I’d add here is that he is an above average passer….but passing/playmaking can be considered different things. He doesn’t break down the defense enough to create plays for others. But I think you’re right for the most part. He is a really great shooter/shot maker, but there is more to that when becoming a lead option.

Definitely underrating his passing.

Fair, but like KqWIN pointed out... he needs to improve a lot his ability to create advantages of the type that matter for his playmaking for others. Pretty much the only break down of the defense he can do now is the type that creates him a step back or pull up jumper.

 

[fishonjazz]

Fair, but like KqWIN pointed out... he needs to improve a lot his ability to create advantages of the type that matter for his playmaking for others. Pretty much the only break down of the defense he can do now is the type that creates him a step back or pull up jumper.

Yep, freshman college players who are barely 19 have stuff they need to improve on to be all star caliber nba players. Great point.

 

[stitches]

Yep, freshman college players who are barely 19 have stuff they need to improve on to be all star caliber nba players. Great point.

The thing with the things he needs to improve is that they are things that players usually have hard time improving. If you are already not getting to the rim in college, you rarely start going to the rim in the NBA, if you are not already drawing fouls you are not likely to start getting to the line in the NBA. He needs to start creating advantages of the type that force help so his passing would matter.

 

[fishonjazz]

The thing with the things he needs to improve is that they are things that players usually have hard time improving. If you are already not getting to the rim in college, you rarely start going to the rim in the NBA, if you are not already drawing fouls you are not likely to start getting to the line in the NBA. He needs to start creating advantages of the type that force help so his passing would matter.

Ya that could be the answer to any players perceived weaknesses.
Players who have been playing basketball competitively their entire lives who still aren't good at something by the time they are in college usually will have a hard time improving that weakness when they start playing against the very best players in the world who are much older and more experienced.
It is what it is. We just dont know if any of these players will get better at the things they aren't as good at currently. Just have to try to determine if the tools are there and if they are coachable and willing to work and that the coaches we have need to be up to the task. As for tools, tre seems to have the size and athleticism at least. Hopefully he has the attitude and work ethic and our coaches are good at coaching.

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

The thing with the things he needs to improve is that they are things that players usually have hard time improving. If you are already not getting to the rim in college, you rarely start going to the rim in the NBA

But he is getting to the rim in college finishing is a different story though. I hate the stereotypes people place on Tre, but I guess I should be thankful otherwise he’d be the third pick. He’s painted as an unathletic scoring tweener that doesn’t defend or pass.

All false by the way. He may very well end up second in redrafts 5 years from now.

I’ve seen a few full games from the first and second half of the season. He was a good defender in the first half, and it fell off some in the second half, but not to the point that he’s Sexton or Key. He has potential to be a good defender in the league

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

The thing with the things he needs to improve is that they are things that players usually have hard time improving. If you are already not getting to the rim in college, you rarely start going to the rim in the NBA, if you are not already drawing fouls you are not likely to start getting to the line in the NBA. He needs to start creating advantages of the type that force help so his passing would matter.

I just cant really disagree more.