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SoberasHotRod said:
Philon's handle is tighter than I remember, and it gives me more confidence he can play PG at some point. His ast/to ratio is the best of any of the Freshman pgs and although he isn't the most creative passer, he's still very good and potentially held back a little by playing with who he did.

His defense will be good enough to keep him on the floor and offensively he has a floater and can catch and shoot well enough to allow him time on the floor to expand his game.

He's 100% the player type that I like, so he'll be much higher on my board than he might deserve, but I think he's a good enough bet to improve over time that I'm comfortable with it.
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The thing that keeps me from getting super hyped about Philon isn't his offense, it's actually his defense. He just doesn't have the length or bulk for me to project him as a top level defender in the NBA.

- He's probably the best pickpocket in the draft and has takeaways from a lot of the best guards in this draft class (Harper, Kas, Tre, Pettiford, Fears, Clayton, Chaz)
- But sometimes as he gambles for picks he gets beat off the dribble.
- He works extremely hard on/off ball and is good at anticipating where to be on defense.
- He isn't strong enough to adsorb contact and so he can't get his chest in to guys as they drive and gets thrown way off track by hard picks (although he is pretty good in general at anticipating picks and avoiding them).
- He's not afraid to mix it up inside, but he's not really strong enough/long enough to be effective at switches on to bigs.

I think he'll be a very good defender once he adds some bulk/strength, but I'm guessing it's going to be a few years until he gets to that level.
 
RyGuy said:
How much should roster construction fit be considered with this pick? For example I would love if the Jazz drafted Tre Johnson. But would VJ Edgecombe be a better roster fit if you still believe in the Jazz's last two lottery picks? Imagine having VJ and Hendricks out on the perimeter defensively with Kessler backing them up? I know Cody Williams is very bad last year no argument here, but what if he comes into camp more muscular, better body, improves on shooting and handle?

If the Jazz do trade Lauri which I believe they should, and Cody and Taylor both come back improved now you have the makings of a potentially very good defensive lineup if you add VJ Edgecombe.

One thing the Jazz have shown with their top lottery picks is they like length, athleticism, and potential two way ability. Prior to playing in the NBA both Taylor Hendricks and Cody Williams were thought to have that potential. Now it may never materialize for one or both of them but if your still a believer in both then adding a guy like VJ is quite tempting. Regardless I think the Jazz are in a fine spot and will get a very good player no matter if it'd Tre, VJ or Ace. The team is signaling they are going to tank again next year so let's just continue to add talent and build this roster up. I'm just wondering with the pieces we currently have, who would be the best fit. They are all extremely talented players
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We also need to be able to score the ball. With VJ/Hendricks/Kessler there isn’t a ton of offensive creation at all.
 
Elizah Huge said:
We also need to be able to score the ball. With VJ/Hendricks/Kessler there isn’t a ton of offensive creation at all.
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Yeah it's definitely not an ideal offensive lineup. But you would still have Isaiah Collier setting the table. It's not like these guys would just stand there like a wall. You move, set screens, drive to the hoop, pass. I do get your overall point but let's not act like they would never put the ball in the hoop. And just for the record I would prefer Tre Johnson. But it is nice to think of the defensive potential while hoping the offense isn't garbage
 
I don’t think you should care about construction when you’re about to tank and barely have anyone who is a building block. You don’t even know if some of the guys you’re constructing around are going to be in the league in 5 years. I think the bigger thing is recognizing that you’re in a tanking situation and thinking about how that will effect certain players’ development.
 
KqWIN said:
I don’t think you should care about construction when you’re about to tank and barely have anyone who is a building block. You don’t even know if some of the guys you’re constructing around are going to be in the league in 5 years. I think the bigger thing is recognizing that you’re in a tanking situation and thinking about how that will effect certain players’ development.
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I think Danny Ainge and Justin Zanik care. If both Taylor Hendricks and Cody Williams flame out there jobs may be on the line. So to them they absolutely may be considering roster fit/construction with this pick. There's only so long they can kick the can down the road with nothing to show for it
 
RyGuy said:
I think Danny Ainge and Justin Zanik care. If both Taylor Hendricks and Cody Williams flame out there jobs may be on the line. So to them they absolutely may be considering roster fit/construction with this pick. There's only so long they can kick the can down the road with nothing to show for it
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I don’t see how that’s all related to roster construction. If the young guards on this team flame out, that is also very bad. Like why are Cody and Hendricks part of “roster construction” when they have way less proven than other young players? You’re trying to put together a puzzle that you don’t have any pieces for yet.

Even if we were going to say roster construction is very important, what guys are we even considering to be a part of that? I’d agree that we need more scoring, but that’s not because Hendricks is someone who we should be changing our pick for, it’s because Key is also not good enough. None of these guys except for Kessler are.

Whoever we draft, if the reasoning is the fit with Taylor Hendricks I am going to lose my mind. Only player good enough to influence our decision is Kessler, and all that means is we’re not a Maluach or CMB team which is fine.
 
Cody should be assumed to have already flamed out. He was the worst offensive player in the NBA last year as well as being one of the worst rebounders and help defenders in the NBA. Taylor Hendricks flaming out (if it happens) can just be blamed on injury.

Even if Hendricks turned out, it's not clear he's long for the Jazz either. Both Hendricks and Filipowski are locked to the PF slot and can't play other positions effectively.
 
RyGuy said:
How much should roster construction fit be considered with this pick? For example I would love if the Jazz drafted Tre Johnson. But would VJ Edgecombe be a better roster fit if you still believe in the Jazz's last two lottery picks? Imagine having VJ and Hendricks out on the perimeter defensively with Kessler backing them up? I know Cody Williams was very bad last year no argument here, but what if he comes into camp more muscular, better body, improves on shooting and handle?

If the Jazz do trade Lauri which I believe they should, and Cody and Taylor both come back improved now you have the makings of a potentially very good defensive lineup if you add VJ Edgecombe.

One thing the Jazz have shown with their top lottery picks is they like length, athleticism, and potential two way ability. Prior to playing in the NBA both Taylor Hendricks and Cody Williams were thought to have that potential. Now it may never materialize for one or both of them but if your still a believer in both then adding a guy like VJ is quite tempting. Regardless I think the Jazz are in a fine spot and will get a very good player no matter if it's Tre, VJ or Ace. The team is signaling they are going to tank again next year so let's just continue to add talent and build this roster up. I'm just wondering with the pieces we currently have, who would be the best fit. They are all extremely talented players
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IMO about zero. We don't have good enough players or even prospects to allow any of them influence what we do with this pick. And the only player who is good enough to maybe influence something is seamless fit with pretty much any roster construction.
 
1. Flagg
2. Harper
3. Kas
4. VJ
5. Jase
6. Tre
7. Fears
8. Kon
9. Ace
10. CMB
11. Traore
12. Bryant
13. Philon
14. Sorber
15. Essengue
16. Clayton
17. Demin
18. Coward
19. Maluach
20. Thiero
21. Newell
22. Queen
23. Jones
24. Saraf
25. Fleming
26. Byrd
27. Clifford
28. Riley
29. McNeely
30. Pettiford
 
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