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Handlogten's Heros said:
Svi is third on the team in minutes. Lauri is top 11 in MPG. Love has played more than Taylor or Cody. Only one contusion game missed.

We can do better. There are at least three games that could have flipped if we were doing some small things to put our finger on the scale. We'd be in prime position.
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Svi needs to be developed. All these players are people who can't just be tossed to the side to lose games. There's a bigger human element to these decisions than your faction wants to think about
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Pop ran Sochan at point guard lol. And that was after the gods blessed SA with Wemby.

Simply ramping down Lauri's minutes a touch or sitting him on the backend of B2Bs, eliminating Love minutes for Cody/Taylor, reducing Svi's minutes by 40% for Cody/Taylor/Brice... we'd be 5-18 and sitting in third.
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It matters as much as it did for SAS, OKC, CLE, TOR, DET, HOU, ORL etc. It ends when you get good players, and it doesn't matter how you get those good players.

If you hate tanking because of the principle and/or because it sucks to watch, I respect that. If you think there is an actual strategic option better than tanking, I am so open to that and would to hear how. Like if we have a Haliburton or Harden trade cooking to turn the franchise, that would be best case scenario. But miss me with this ethical or winning culture crap. Especially when this team can max out at like 30 wins if we did our very best. Svi and Nurk are not Don and Rudy. We suck either way lol.
 
I had previously stated that the 5-8 range was looking very strong, but that group has really been slumping and only Flemings is really standing out. I'm sure I'll go back and forth about this a lot, but what's certain to me is the top 4 this year is amazing. All star or better is median for all top 4 guys IMO.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Svi needs to be developed. All these players are people who can't just be tossed to the side to lose games. There's a bigger human element to these decisions than your faction wants to think about
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Svi was literally on the cusp of being out of the league. If he is part of the reason we draft 7th instead of top 4 then we should have waived him this summer and we'd be much better off for it. If you told him you were picking up his option next year instead of trading him to a team that might have him on the fringe of the rotation... but the trade off was he plays 10 less minutes a night... I'm guessing he'd be cool with that.

We can waive Anderson, Love right now and I promise the franchise will survive lol. They can literally be tossed aside. We survived last year somehow when we benched much better players for the sake of the tank. It ain't that deep.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Pop ran Sochan at point guard lol. And that was after the gods blessed SA with Wemby.

Simply ramping down Lauri's minutes a touch or sitting him on the backend of B2Bs, eliminating Love minutes for Cody/Taylor, reducing Svi's minutes by 40% for Cody/Taylor/Brice... we'd be 5-18 and sitting in third.
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You know very well that won't ever happen. The dude is playing at an All Star level, is healthy and is 28, not 38. Sitting Lauri on back-to-backs would be so blatant that it would bring more unwanted attention from the league office. We already spent one get-out-of-jail-free card with this mystery illness of his.

This "we can tank with Lauri" thing has been biting the Jazz in the *** for years now (not that I'm complaining, I hate the tank). That's exactly why he should've been traded at the 22-23 season deadline as Ainge kneecapped the team anyway.
 
KqWIN said:
I had previously stated that the 5-8 range was looking very strong, but that group has really been slumping and only Flemings is really standing out. I'm sure I'll go back and forth about this a lot, but what's certain to me is the top 4 this year is amazing. All star or better is median for all top 4 guys IMO.
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I like Flemings, would like Peat if he had any kind of jumper, Hannes is really intriguing. I think Brown Jr. is good but kinda duplicative (but might be better?) than what we have. Ament I am not sure on but I see why he has some fans. I think its pretty good in that range but maybe not spectacular.
 
Tremendous Upside said:
You know very well that won't ever happen. The dude is playing at an All Star level, is healthy and is 28, not 38. Sitting Lauri on back-to-backs would be so blatant that it would bring more unwanted attention from the league office. We already spent one get-out-of-jail-free card with this mystery illness of his.

This "we can tank with Lauri" thing has been biting the Jazz in the *** for years now (not that I'm complaining, I hate the tank). That's exactly why he should've been traded at the 22-23 season deadline as Ainge kneecapped the team anyway.
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We literally did it so kick rocks.
 
Amari Allen on Alabama has some interesting numbers. Good stocks + assists for a wing. He's someone to watch.

Also...are we paying enough to Philon's production right now? 30/4/8/2 per 40 on 65% TS and 40% 3FG%.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I like Flemings, would like Peat if he had any kind of jumper, Hannes is really intriguing. I think Brown Jr. is good but kinda duplicative (but might be better?) than what we have. Ament I am not sure on but I see why he has some fans. I think its pretty good in that range but maybe not spectacular.
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Quick thoughts on some potential 5-8 guys:

Koa Peat: I need to watch him play especially on defense. If he's an elite defensive guy I could maybe buy into it, but besides his passing I'm not super excited about him.

Hannes: Might be a generational rebounder. Rebounding is back in fashion, so I could see him rising into that group. Also need to see if he can defend.

Mikel: Plays like NBA Keyonte (Key was much different at Baylor). He's alright. I'm not a huge draft for fit guy, but it's unlikely that I'll feel he's so good and different from other prospects at this level that I'll want to draft him. Good offensive prospect, but not my type of player to begin with.

Ament: Opposite of Dybantasa. Has some statistical indicators that stick out to me and give me hope, but he looks *** on film.

Quantaince: I really hope we get to see him this year. I don't really know how to evaluate a 17 year old in NCAA basketball, but he was impressive even if he was 19 last year. Could be the 5 we're looking for if Kessler is not the one we want.

Rough ranking would be:

Flemings
Philon
Ament
Quantaince
Mikel
Hannes
Peat

Guys I could see getting into that group (no roder):

Tounde
Carr
Mullins
Lopez
Haugh
Maleek Thomas
Yaxel
Ngongba

Guys I'm fading:

Cenac
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Svi was literally on the cusp of being out of the league. If he is part of the reason we draft 7th instead of top 4 then we should have waived him this summer and we'd be much better off for it. If you told him you were picking up his option next year instead of trading him to a team that might have him on the fringe of the rotation... but the trade off was he plays 10 less minutes a night... I'm guessing he'd be cool with that.
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By the way, people forget that Lauri and Svi share an agent – and those two are the only NBA players SIG Sports represents.

I'm sure it has NOTHING to do with Svi's status as a Hardy favorite.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Svi was literally on the cusp of being out of the league. If he is part of the reason we draft 7th instead of top 4 then we should have waived him this summer and we'd be much better off for it. If you told him you were picking up his option next year instead of trading him to a team that might have him on the fringe of the rotation... but the trade off was he plays 10 less minutes a night... I'm guessing he'd be cool with that.

We can waive Anderson, Love right now and I promise the franchise will survive lol. They can literally be tossed aside. We survived last year somehow when we benched much better players for the sake of the tank. It ain't that deep.
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And now he's shooting 47/37 splits.
 
Tremendous Upside said:
By the way, people forget that Lauri and Svi share an agent – and those two are the only NBA players SIG Sports represents.

I'm sure it has NOTHING to do with Svi's status as a Hardy favorite.
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I don't really care. Just play him 10 minutes or so less per night so you can get the tank commander on the court. Lauri has been paid and treated fairly... so has Svi (even if we have to reduce minutes).
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Yeah nothing matters, only increasing odds marginally at a top pick. Ignore development of the roster. That's how you win games in the NBA.
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Yup developing 28 year old journeyman is more important than acquiring All-NBA level talent.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Yeah nothing matters, only increasing odds marginally at a top pick. Ignore development of the roster. That's how you win games in the NBA.
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6 games accounted for the difference between the 7th (where the Jazz have a good chance at keeping their pick this year) and 10th (where the Jazz are almost guaranteed to lose their pick) worst records last year. The odds of hitting in the lottery are three times higher for the 7th seed than the 10th seed.

The three games (at least) the Jazz could have lost if they weren’t trying to win like their lives depended on it currently account for five slots in draft order/lottery odds.

There’s nothing marginal about the difference of a few games won or lost in this part of the standings.
 
I love the idea that swapping 10-15% of the available minutes away from vets that mostly won't be here the next time we make the playoffs is somehow going to destroy the whole development process. Its not.
 
NUMBERICA said:
6 games accounted for the difference between the 7th (where the Jazz have a good chance at keeping their pick this year) and 10th (where the Jazz are almost guaranteed to lose their pick) worst records last year. The odds of hitting in the lottery are three times higher for the 7th seed than the 10th seed.

The three games (at least) the Jazz could have lost if they weren’t trying to win like their lives depended on it currently account for five slots in draft order/lottery odds.

There’s nothing marginal about the difference of a few games won or lost in this part of the standings.
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Jazz will be fine. Can the tank anxiety people please make their own thread to cry in instead of the draft prospects thread?
 
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