Following Potential Draftees - 2019 (not kidding)

[LoPo]

The point is that a high level PG can help you win it all, no matter the age.

You said this Cy. Nobody else.

Name an old PG who was added and led his team to a title. Seriously, I don't know of any title winner who added a 32+ PG relied on as the team's 2nd best offensive player and that team wins the title.

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[Saint Cy of JFC]

You said this Cy. Nobody else.

Name an old PG who was added and led his team to a title. Seriously, I don't know of any title winner who added a 32+ PG relied on as the team's 2nd best offensive player and that team wins the title.

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Again, you are putting nonsensical parameters on something to make the argument go in your favor.

 

[LoPo]

You are saying things that literally don't matter.

We are leveraging a bunch of assets to get Conley. It definitely matters how effective players are at 32+.

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[LoPo]

Again, you are putting nonsensical parameters on something to make the argument go in your favor.

Okay. Name a team who won a title with a 32+ year old PG as their 2nd best offensive player.

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[Park Bites]

lets play a game of either or (choose one or the other and tell us why)

Darius Garland...vs…Coby White

Jarrett Culver...vs…Cameron Reddish

Nickeil Alexander-Walker...vs…Kevin Porter

Bruno Fernando...vs…Goga Bitadze

Sekou Doumbouya...vs…Rui Hachimura

Jaxson Hayes...vs…Bol Bol

Romeo Langford...vs…Keldon Johnson

KZ Okpala...vs…Nassir Little

Tyler Herro...vs…Talen Horton-Tuc...

PJ Washington...vs…Brandon Clarke

Naz Reid...vs…Daniel Gafford

Luka Samanic...vs…Nicolas Claxton

Dylan Windler...vs…Cameron Johnson

Matisse Thybulle...vs…Louis King

Carsen Edwards...vs…Ty Jerome

Eric Paschall...vs…Grant Williams

Darius Bazley...vs…Chuma Okeke

Tacko Fall...vs…Moses Brown

Luguentz Dort...vs…Jalen Lecque

Admiral Schofield...vs…Brian Bowen

Ignas Brazdeikis...vs…Kris Wilkes

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Okay. Name a team who won a title with a 32+ year old PG as their 2nd best offensive player.

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I never said the Jazz would definitely win the title with Conley. I said a high level PG can help you win it all.

If Kyle Lowry and the Raptors win it all this year does that automatically make Conley better? No, of course not.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

lets play a game of either or (choose one or the other and tell us why)

Darius Garland...vs…Coby White

Jarrett Culver...vs…Cameron Reddish

Nickeil Alexander-Walker...vs…Kevin Porter

Bruno Fernando...vs…Goga Bitadze

Sekou Doumbouya...vs…Rui Hachimura

Jaxson Hayes...vs…Bol Bol

Romeo Langford...vs…Keldon Johnson

KZ Okpala...vs…Nassir Little

Tyler Herro...vs…Talen Horton-Tuc...

PJ Washington...vs…Brandon Clarke

Naz Reid...vs…Daniel Gafford

Luka Samanic...vs…Nicolas Claxton

Dylan Windler...vs…Cameron Johnson

Matisse Thybulle...vs…Louis King

Carsen Edwards...vs…Ty Jerome

Eric Paschall...vs…Grant Williams

Darius Bazley...vs…Chuma Okeke

Tacko Fall...vs…Moses Brown

Luguentz Dort...vs…Jalen Lecque

Admiral Schofield...vs…Brian Bowen

Ignas Brazdeikis...vs…Kris Wilkes

All fairly easy besides the Little/Okpala and Edwards/Jerome ones.

 

[Game6Conley]

We are leveraging a bunch of assets to get Conley. It definitely matters how effective players are at 32+.

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Look at Conley vs Fox in these highlights.... I watched these games live and couldnt help but ask myself "has conley lost a step?" Fox is obviously top of the food chain in the quickness dept, but still...

Conley used to be the top lefty PG in the league... He's not anymore..

 

[LoPo]

I never said the Jazz would definitely win the title with Conley. I said a high level PG can help you win it all.

If Kyle Lowry and the Raptors win it all this year does that automatically make Conley better? No, of course not.

C'mon Cy, don't play stupid. You were implying a PG like Conley could give us a better chance to win a title.

Of course a high level PG helps you win it all. So does hitting most of your shots.

32 year old PGs don't succeed as 2nd best scoring options. Conley by himself is terrible. Conley plus another quality starter has a chance. It's so hard to see a scenario where we add Conley AND add another quality player.

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[Park Bites]

Darius Garland...vs…Coby White - Garland I think he can be special

Jarrett Culver...vs…Cameron Reddish - culver because I think he has more if the "IT" then reddish

Nickeil Alexander-Walker...vs…Kevin Porter - NAW i am just a huge fan

Bruno Fernando...vs…Goga Bitadze - Bitadze is going to have a long career in the NBA

Sekou Doumbouya...vs…Rui Hachimura - Easy here Doumbouya because he has tremendous upside

Jaxson Hayes...vs…Bol Bol - Hayes will be good but if Bol bol stays healthy he will have the better career

Romeo Langford...vs…Keldon Johnson - I do not like Langford at all so Johnson

KZ Okpala...vs…Nassir Little - Little has more potential at this point

Tyler Herro...vs…Talen Horton-Tucker - To be honest i dont like either but everyone needs shooting

PJ Washington...vs…Brandon Clarke- This one is tough for me but I have clark by just the slimmest or margins

Naz Reid...vs…Daniel Gafford - somehting about reid bothers me

Luka Samanic...vs…Nicolas Claxton - Easy I am a samanic fan

Dylan Windler...vs…Cameron Johnson - This is another tough one for me but i am taking johnson just a gut feeling

Matisse Thybulle...vs…Louis King - I dont particularly like either but King has the better offensive potential

Carsen Edwards...vs…Ty Jerome - Again a big Jerome fan

Eric Paschall...vs…Grant Williams - I like pascall a lot more then williams

Darius Bazley...vs…Chuma Okeke - tough one fore me as i like both but Bazely has the better upside

Tacko Fall...vs…Moses Brown - who doesnt love tackos

Luguentz Dort...vs…Jalen Lecque - Lecque because he seems like a bigger swing for the fences pick

Admiral Schofield...vs…Brian Bowen - I am liking the potential of Bowen over the readiness of Schofield but this one could bite me later

Ignas Brazdeikis...vs…Kris Wilkes - Like i said everyone needs scoring

 

[SCS]

Who are we acquiring that is better than Conley @LoPo ? Maybe Kemba and maybe Tobias. That's it. And that is IF we can convince them to come here. If you miss on those three how do we get better by running it back and holding on to all of these "assets" forever? Gobert wants to win and can walk in a few years. Is holding our current course a good look to him?

 

[LoPo]

Who are we acquiring that is better than Conley @LoPo ? Maybe Kemba and maybe Tobias. That's it. And that is IF we can convince them to come here. If you miss on those three how do we get better by running it back and holding on to all of these "assets" forever? Gobert wants to win and can walk in a few years. Is holding our current course a good look to him?

You might be right - Conley might be the best player we can acquire this summer depending on how things shake out. But my argument is this:

Conley costs Favors, a 1st, another asset and all cap flexibility this summer and next. He has zero upward potential and a 2 or 3 year shelf life of legitimate quality play.

A mid tier free agent (Lamb, Rozier, Randle, Bogdanovic, whatever) plus Favors plus #23 has more potential. There is room for growth there.

Our future is Donovan Mitchell. Making a move to get us a little further in the 2nd round which costs us long term pieces next to Donovan is stupid. If Rudy doesn't like it, trade Rudy. Donovan is our franchise.



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