That's not true about the cap-space thing. They could have easily made the room to trade for George and sign Hayward. They literally say the reason they didnt do it was because they feared not landing Hayward.
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That's not true about the cap-space thing. They could have easily made the room to trade for George and sign Hayward. They literally say the reason they didnt do it was because they feared not landing Hayward.
"They feared flipping their golden trade chip for the first one (Butler or George), whiffing on the second (Hayward), and ending up having squandered their best asset..."
That's just flat-out wrong, dude.
Just to sign Hayward alone, they already had to salary dump Avery Bradley and forego re-signing several players. Add George's or Butler's ~19.5M to the cap, and even if they salary dump Jae Crowder's 6.7M they STILL would've been almost $13M above where they'd need to be to make room in the cap to sign Hayward.
Even if you want to argue that they would still be willing to do it, the no-brainer approach would still have been to sign Hayward first in FA before making any trade, to save themselves from also having to salary dump Crowder + others.
And they would have done it if they knew 100% Hayward was coming. The risk was too large to do all that and not have 100% knowledge Hayward was coming.
I see it the other way around. If they 100% knew Hayward was coming, then the choice was either wait until FA, sign Hayward, and then make a trade for another big star without having to salary dump more than one of Bradley/Crowder, or make the trade first and have to salary dump BOTH Bradley and Crowder along with having to clear an additional $13M in cap space.
Why the hell would anybody choose the latter option? The only reason it would've made sense to trade for Butler or George first is if they weren't sure whether or not they would get Hayward.
conclusion - **** haywood
vegas
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Haywood dumb for wanting Boston. Boston dumb for getting Kyrie over PG or esp. Butler and selling the farm in the process. Match made in heaven.
Right now I'm looking forward to the season. Lots of cool Jazz story lines to unfold.
He was leaning Boston all the way. I doubt he had his mind completely set, but I think he wanted to go there obviously.
The meeting in San Diego was "awkward". Of course it was. He was not a leader, and his former teammates felt that he was already gone.
The meeting in San Diego was "awkward". Of course it was. He was not a leader, and his former teammates felt that he was already gone.
People think there was some kind of conspiracy between Hayward and Boston?
Eh. I suspect that Hayward kind of knew he was leaving for a while. I'm sure it wasn't an easy decision as he had spent 7 years of his life here, but I don't buy this torn until the last minute nonsense. He probably was leaning toward leaving for who knows how long (I'm thinking several years, given the analysis of all the signals, in retrospect), and I'm sure he knew that Boston would be a likely destination.
I don't think he had a hidden agreement with Boston, as that would be a very stupid thing for him to do.
Eh. I suspect that Hayward kind of knew he was leaving for a while. I'm sure it wasn't an easy decision as he had spent 7 years of his life here, but I don't buy this torn until the last minute nonsense. He probably was leaning toward leaving for who knows how long (I'm thinking several years, given the analysis of all the signals, in retrospect), and I'm sure he knew that Boston would be a likely destination.
I don't think he had a hidden agreement with Boston, as that would be a very stupid thing for him to do.
Yep. I remember Gobert saying the meeting was awkward, and that he felt Hayward was probably leaving.
FalseFlagg K
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Cause he knew damn well he was going to play for Brad for a year or two. If he was truly even remotely still undecided before the season started and the year and growth and vision and professionalism and committment to him the Jazz organization showed didn't persuade him to stay .. well 2 and 2 make 4.
stormkoopacv03
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Who the f cares, I don't. Let's all move on folks. I wouldn't want him back on the Jazz, if he wanted to return one day. He f'd up and good riddance is all I have to say.