For those of you doubting Gordon Hayward...

[Saint Cy of JFC]

My major question about Hayward, is he still dating his GF?

He use to tweet about her every now and then and post pics and stuff, but that has ceased. Wonder if he broke up with her and in turn he is focusing more on his game.

 

[b_line]

I know lots of people on here think Hayward is great, but I still think he is underestimated. In my view, he is a perennial all star and 20 point per game scorer. I say that because when he played without big al on the floor last year, he averaged 19.9 points per 36 minutes. With any improvement at all, he will probably get 20 ppg this season. He will be an all star the first year we make the playoffs.

 

[b_line]

My major question about Hayward, is he still dating his GF?

He use to tweet about her every now and then and post pics and stuff, but that has ceased. Wonder if he broke up with her and in turn he is focusing more on his game.

You talkin bout practiss? Or his video game?

 

[orangello]

Very.

No homo?

 

[gregbroncs]

Hayward is a better passer, handler and facilitator than George. I think that's what he was drafted to be. The Jazz's team concept is based on playing off of bigs in the post. George is the better scorer at this point.

He also seems to be a better shooter. And scorer for the time he's on the floor.

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

AFAIK, nobody here thinks Hayward is a scrub or bust, he's a good player. I just think some of the Hayward fanboys go a little overboard with the Larry Bird comparisons, the 24 ppg predictions, all-star/superstar predictions and comparisons to our Heavenly Father... That's all.

For the record.. I've never compared him to Larry Legend. You and everyone else underestimate Hayward, and underestimate the improvements he's made from year to year. The #'s he put up last year are not the numbers of a third or fourth option of a post heavy offense

I know lots of people on here think Hayward is great, but I still think he is underestimated. In my view, he is a perennial all star and 20 point per game scorer. I say that because when he played without big al on the floor last year, he averaged 19.9 points per 36 minutes. With any improvement at all, he will probably get 20 ppg this season. He will be an all star the first year we make the playoffs.

I can see him getting 20 per this year, but not overall for his career. I can see perennial Allstar in him. If he can get off to a fast start instead of a slow start.. I can see him making the Allstar game this year.

 

[Gameface]

stats are what nerds look at who don't play the game. Trying to say he is even to paul George is laughable... Just watch paul George play and then watch Gordon play ... Gordon on most teams is a 6th man and paul is a flat out stud.,Laughable trying to compare them. This place cracks me up sometime. Bet if the pacers were dum enough to trade George for Gordon that the jazz front office would do it in a heartbeat.

I know, one is clearly black and the other is clearly white. What more does one need to see to know who's the better ball player? amiwhite..I mean, amirite?

 

[MVP]

Hayward is a better passer, handler and facilitator than George. I think that's what he was drafted to be. .

Posts like that are such a typical display of homerism on this site. Hayward is not a better passer or ball handler. George averages more assists per game and per 36 min and has higher AST%.

https://www.basketball-reference.co...m=0&p1=georgpa01&y1=2013&p2=haywago01&y2=2013

Please explain to me by what undocumented stats or criteria Hayward is better passer?

 

[MVP]

George is a better defender and rebounder, but Hayward excels at everything else above George.

Not true. George is clearly a better passer.

 

[honz]

In a manly way.

Speak for yourself.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Posts like that are such a typical display of homerism on this site. Hayward is not a better passer or ball handler. George averages more assists per game and per 36 min and has higher AST%.

https://www.basketball-reference.co...m=0&p1=georgpa01&y1=2013&p2=haywago01&y2=2013

Please explain to me by what undocumented stats or criteria Hayward is better passer?

George was the team's primary ball handler and facilitator while Hayward played more off-the-ball and shared playmaking.

What is the Assist to Usage Ratio? Also have to consider Turnovers.

You can't just look at assist and say that player is the better passer. Hayward played with Jefferson, who has to be one of the least assisted big men due to his style of scoring.

 

[MVP]

George was the team's primary ball handler and facilitator while Hayward played more off-the-ball and shared playmaking.

What is the Assist to Usage Ratio?
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You grabbing straws my friend. George still beats Hayward in usage to assist ratio ( 23.5% usage and 4.1 asists vs 22.1% usage and 3.0 assists as you can see their usage % is very similar ).. Lets just agree for once without any excuses. It used to make me sick when people where arguing that Deron was better PG then Paul while he was still Jazzman based on few head to head matchups.
That player A plays for Jazz but has worse stats then player B does not give player A any home discount or advantage, lets be objective here.