Fredette homer admittance thread

[Archie Moses]

I love watching him play in college, though I'm definitely not a homer in regards to his NBA ability. I don't think he has anything to offer inside of 20 feet in the NBA. Or on defense. And since, as David Thorpe talks about often, nobody in the NBA is going to allow him to play even close to the style he is allowed at BYU, I just don't see much there.

Tony Parker lead the NBA in scoring in the paint. Anything can happen, eh?

 

[Duck Rodgers]

Tony Parker lead the NBA in scoring in the paint. Anything can happen, eh?

I honestly think Jimmer is going to have huge problems even getting in the lane. His ball moves are okay, but nothing NBA guys aren't used to. Parker is/(was? I haven't seen him in awhile actually) a jet and has a mean floater. Jimmer is never going to be a jet, but if he could add that floater....that would be nice.

 

[LogGrad98]

Tony Parker lead the NBA in scoring in the paint. Anything can happen, eh?

Parker is insanely athletic and has incredible ball-handling skills.

For a more apt comparison, has JJ Reddick lead the NBA in points in the paint?

 

[Archie Moses]

Parker is insanely athletic and has incredible ball-handling skills.

For a more apt comparison, has JJ Reddick lead the NBA in points in the paint?

Tony Parker is not "insanely athletic". He's a great player, but I don't think anyone who watches him play thinks he's "insanely athletic" besides maybe you. I'm tired of hearing the JJ Reddick comparison with Jimmer. Jimmer is very capable of running the point in the NBA, Reddick isn't. I'm not saying Jimmer is going to dominate in the NBA, but I think it's foolish to say he's gonna suck or not have a chance. He's not Lee Cummard.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7eH3lh96_s

Is Glen Davis "insanely athletic" too?

 

[LogGrad98]

I guess you don't understand what athletic is, but that's ok. Many people mistakenly think that the full extent of being "athletic" means you have to be over 6'5" and be able to jump over the backboard. That is wrong, but you are entitled to be wrong all you want. Was Stockton athletic? Is Ginobli? It is generally a scale and measurable by far more than standing reach and verticle jump.

That said, then drop the "insanely" qualifier that you seem to be stuck on and Parker is still in another league of athleticism than Jimmer.

You also are a true Jimmer homer if you think he is closer to Parker than Reddick.

 

[Archie Moses]

You also are a true Jimmer homer if you think he is closer to Parker than Reddick.

I compare Jimmer to Jimmer. I don't think he's a lot like Parker. Jimmer actually has a jump shot. Don't tell me I don't understand what athletic means when you claim Tony Parker is "insanely athletic". The basketball world knows he's not "insanely athletic". He's not.

 

[LogGrad98]

Tony Parker lead the NBA in scoring in the paint. Anything can happen, eh?

I compare Jimmer to Jimmer. I don't think he's a lot like Parker. Jimmer actually has a jump shot. Don't tell me I don't understand what athletic means when you claim Tony Parker is "insanely athletic". The basketball world knows he's not "insanely athletic". He's not.

In a Jimmer thread it sure looks like a comparison to me in that top post. If you were just bringing it up randomly and not connected to this thread then I apologize.

As for the bold...link? Otherwise it is your opinion, nothing more. Qualifying it with a vague unverifiable claim adds no further weight to the argument. You think he is a lump of clay, I think he is pretty damn athletic. I have watched him plenty, and imo he is more athletic than most PG in this league.

 

[Archie Moses]

In a Jimmer thread it sure looks like a comparison to me in that top post. If you were just bringing it up randomly and not connected to this thread then I apologize.

I'm just making a point that Jimmer has more game than on outside shot. He's got a plethora of moves and can use both hands for finishing close to the hoop. The Parker comment was made to make a point. How many people thought Parker would do as well as he has in the paint in the NBA? I'm guessing not many.

As for the bold...link? Otherwise it is your opinion, nothing more.

Tony Parker is athletic, but he's not "insanely athletic". I don't need to provide a link because it's common sense. He's an athletic point guard with a high skill set. He's just not "insanely athletic".

You think he is a lump of clay, I think he is pretty damn athletic.

I do? When did I say that? I think he's a great point guard. He's just not "insanely athletic".

I have watched him plenty, and imo he is more athletic than most PG in this league.

I don't know about that. I think he has a better understanding of the game and a higher skill set than most PG's in the league. I don't think he's that much more athletic than "most" PGs in the league.

 

[LogGrad98]

That said, then drop the "insanely" qualifier that you seem to be stuck on and Parker is still in another league of athleticism than Jimmer.

You also are a true Jimmer homer if you think he is closer to Parker than Reddick.

Tony Parker is athletic, but he's not "insanely athletic". I don't need to provide a link because it's common sense. He's an athletic point guard with a high skill set. He's just not "insanely athletic".

I removed the "insane" qualifier in a previous post. Jimmer is still not in Parker's league even with that removed.

You think he is a lump of clay, I think he is pretty damn athletic.

I do? When did I say that? I think he's a great point guard. He's just not "insanely athletic".

Look up hyperbole.



I just think, even taking the fact that Parker went late in the draft, that Parker is not a true comparison to Jimmer. I have serious doubts that Jimmer will turn into a Parker-level player. He is not a pass-first point, he doesn't have near Parker's level of athleticism (drop the "insane" part, jeez), and he doesn't have the handle of a point.

To me he seems to be more similar to a JJ Reddick with more of a scorers mentality. Would be great if he had the size or athleticism to do something with it. But I think he is definitely not on the level to garner the attention he has had.



[yay I got the multi-quote thing right for once =]

 

[franklin]

Parker is extremely athletic.

Gordon Hayward would have swamped Jimmer in ppg if placed in Jimmer's situation. Scorers can rack up a lot of points when given the green light to hoist up any and every shot they choose. The guy backs out to nearly the half line, waits for a high screen that he generally comes off of very poorly, and takes whatever shot he can create. It doesn't take a genius to see circumstances far outweigh skill here.

 

[Shad]

I'd like to see someone from Jazzfanz sink as many shots as him then tell me that he only can score because he gets "the green light."

 

[LogGrad98]

I'd like to see someone from Jazzfanz sink as many shots as him then tell me that he only can score because he gets "the green light."

Wait, wut?