Archie Moses
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It's very clear you haven't watched Jimmer play, guy. Admit it.
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It's very clear you haven't watched Jimmer play, guy. Admit it.
Sorry McKell, I'm going to have to agree with Frank. He's a great shooter, no doubt, but he's a horrid team player and is one of the most selfish guards I've ever seen. I can't stand watching him play.
james fredette is an insult to utah and humanity at large. i wish nothing but personal and professional failure on him for somehow convincing the nation that utah could mold something of importance before ******** all over the court against new mexico and i resent dave rose, deeply, deeply, DEEPLY resent him for not resigning after that loss
Archie Moses
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Wow, some really mean things said. Tears flow from Jimmer's mom's eyes like hatred from your finger tips.
I am so sick of this line in regards to anyone somebody doesn't like.
If somebody else likes their game, then they are a homer.
I am going to go out on a limb and say that is the "stupidest" argument, or defense of a point that there ever was.
In this particular instance if Archie sees something in Jimmer or his game that he thinks will translate into the NBA so what. That does not make him a "homer".
Just agree to disagree, or stick to your argument, but I am sick of the stupid homer crap.
There, I said it.
My venting session is over.
On a side note, I personally think Homer wrote some of the best literature out there, and Homer is also one of the funniest cartoon characters in existence.
This is my take on "The Jimmer"'s NBA potential.
C.J. watched him and said he could play in the NBA, so this discussion should be over.
Jimmer is consistently being guarded by "more athletic" 6-7 to 6-8 defenders every night, and they usually mix it up to give the defenders some rest. When he has a bad night he only scores 23, with 5 boards and 5 assists and a steal. He is a bit of a ball hog, but wasn't almost every NBA player before the NBA? He has the ability to be a fine PG in the league. He averages 4 assists per game, and many good PG's averaged that or less in college. Jimmer is relentless, has the drive to succeed at any level, and constantly works on improving his game. He will be fine in the NBA. I don't think he will be an all-star, and may be a 6th man like Terry, but on a bad team or in the right system he could start.
I honestly think he would be best used with Phoenix or New York.
Archie, you are not totally alone here even if I don't have the exact same opinion of Jimmer's NBA potential as you do.
He is not as fast as a Parker, which is Parker's main strength and helps him do what he does.
He is a Boozer defensively, in that he does not put effort into it, and hardly ever pushes through screens.
I did see him put more effort into defense against Utah in the last game and he was consistently getting a hand up and affecting shots, which was good to see.
C.J. watched him and said he could play in the NBA, so this discussion should be over.
Jimmer is consistently being guarded by "more athletic" 6-7 to 6-8 defenders every night, and they usually mix it up to give the defenders some rest. When he has a bad night he only scores 23, with 5 boards and 5 assists and a steal. He is a bit of a ball hog, but wasn't almost every NBA player before the NBA? He has the ability to be a fine PG in the league. He averages 4 assists per game, and many good PG's averaged that or less in college. Jimmer is relentless, has the drive to succeed at any level, and constantly works on improving his game. He will be fine in the NBA. I don't think he will be an all-star, and may be a 6th man like Terry, but on a bad team or in the right system he could start.
I honestly think he would be best used with Phoenix or New York.
Archie, you are not totally alone here even if I don't have the exact same opinion of Jimmer's NBA potential as you do.
He is not as fast as a Parker, which is Parker's main strength and helps him do what he does.
He is a Boozer defensively, in that he does not put effort into it, and hardly ever pushes through screens.
I did see him put more effort into defense against Utah in the last game and he was consistently getting a hand up and affecting shots, which was good to see.
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If you notice it was a qualified statement, meaning there was another part after "homer" modifying what homer means in this instance. I think you are a true Jimmer homer if you think he is closer to parker than to Reddick. This means that you are blinded by your LOVE of his game enough to compare him to a far superior player rather than a player that he is more likely to emulate. After further discussion with Archie on the subject I can see that was not his argument, but it appeared that way to begin with.
I am sure Jimmer might be a NBA caliber talent. He obviously has skills that would probably translate well. But if you convince yourself he is the next Parker in the making you are being unrealistic about that players potential, just like the people on the old board that insisted on claiming CJ would be an all-star next year...oh wait, then next year...hang on, he just needs another year.
Being a Homer = having unrealistic expectations of a players potential and sticking to that belief despite any evidence/argument presented to the contrary.
As for your other point I agree, Homer is a hilarious cartoon character, but I don't remember Homer Simpson writing anything of great import.
You're missing the entire point of my thread. I'm not asking for argument or reason. I'm asking for homers to admit it here and now--kind of a macho chest bumping session or something. If you detest this thread so much, and want an insightful discussion regarding Jimmer's talents or lack thereof, then self medicate by quitting reading this thread and starting your own. It's a pretty simple fix, Spazz. There's no reason to piss on my pleasure just because you don't like the activity involved. Go do your own damn thing. I'm not here to step on your toes so why get so defensive over a simple question?
I understand, and I was taking my annoyance with the "homer" comments out on your comment. I don't think just because somebody has a different opinion that it makes them a homer. I think it means they have a different opinion.
Who are you to say somebody's opinion is "unrealistic"... and I say that to anyone who says that, not just you. I also don't buy into most people's take that if you downplay somebody's talent or ability, it means you are a fair and objective.
I would compare Jimmer to Parker more than I would to Redick because Jimmer handles the ball as a PG. He drives into the lane often like Parker does. He is more the size of Parker than the size of Redick. That is why the comparison to Parker makes more sense to me. Style of play, and size over shooting ability and whiteness.
That was just a vent session on homerisms, I think Jimmer will do better than it sounds like others here think he will in the NBA, but I don't disagree with some of what has been said.
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7StraightIsGreat
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While I think that Jimmer could land himself a 10 year NBA career just off of shooting ability alone, I can't help but laugh when people say he could pull off playing PG in the NBA. Alot of the BYU fans I work with like to use the Steph Curry example as "exhibit A" in regards to Jimmer transitioning to the PG spot in the NBA. Just my opinion, but I don't think Jimmer is anywhere near the athlete that Curry is (I also think it's generous saying that Jimmer is 6'2"). Jimmer would get swallowed whole each and every time he tried to push the ball into the lane against NBA defenders. For the record, even if Jimmer washes out in the NBA, I don't think that BYU fans should be too bummed out about that. While he was at your school, he was the best you've ever had and provided you with some good memories. It's like Ute fans and Alex Smith. Would I have liked for him to enter a better situation than the 49ers debacle? Absolutely, but the bottom line is that it hasn't worked out for Alex in the NFL so far. However, I still enjoyed his time here at Utah- and always will.
My official guess on Jimmer's NBA career? I'm thinking around the line of Craig Hodges (some of you will remember him). I could see Jimmer hitting some timely 3-pointers for a team, and maybe winning a couple of 3-point shootouts during All-Star weekend before quietly fading away.
My official guess on Jimmer's NBA career? I'm thinking around the line of Craig Hodges (some of you will remember him). I could see Jimmer hitting some timely 3-pointers for a team, and maybe winning a couple of 3-point shootouts during All-Star weekend before quietly fading away.