Game #31. Jazz at Memphis. Monday 6pm mtn

[fishonjazz]

This is what they should be doing. If I were DL, I'd trade Marvin Williams and Richard Jefferson ASAP for whatever he can get for them. Then I'd instruct Ty to put Kanter, Favors, Hayward, Burks and Burke out there to start every game unless one of them is banged up. After that, he can play JL3, Evans, Garrett, Biedrins, Gobert and Rush however much he wants to. Live with the results of this strategy for good or bad.

This.

That is what i thought they should have been doing since game 1 (though obviously burke was injured at the beginning)

I was shocked and pissed when i found that corbin was going with jefferson to start instead of burks..... and now that marvin is starting over kanter im twice as pissed.

 

[franklin]

I'm a huge fan of the way Corbin develops raw players. He probably has one of the better, if not best, feels for what every one of his players needs to grow and develop. The amount of PT he's giving Burks and Kanter (and even Trey) this year is perfect. He's letting them work through failures but not putting them out there so long that they become overwhelmed and regress.

 

[Coach Ellis]

I'm a huge fan of the way Corbin develops raw players. He probably has one of the better, if not best, feels for what every one of his players needs to grow and develop. The amount of PT he's giving Burks and Kanter (and even Trey) this year is perfect. He's letting them work through failures but not putting them out there so long that they become overwhelmed and regress.

I can't tell if this is a joke or not. Corbin is terrible with raw, young players. He plays vets over them without rhyme or reason. Nearly every single one if them (outside of Burke) has regressed under his watch. As far as I'm concerned, this whole season is a lost cause. After the year is done I hope that Corbin and most of his staff are gone (I like Brad Jones and Alex Jensen) and the only players I want back are Kanter, Favors, Hayward, Burks, Burke, Gobert, Evans, Garrett, Neto and maybe Clark. Everyone else can go and be replaced by new draft picks. Give me a new coach and some key acquisitions and this team will make a big jump up next year. Won't happen if they don't play together and build chemistry this year, and that's not what Corbin has been doing.

 

[fishonjazz]

I'm a huge fan of the way Corbin develops raw players. He probably has one of the better, if not best, feels for what every one of his players needs to grow and develop. The amount of PT he's giving Burks and Kanter (and even Trey) this year is perfect. He's letting them work through failures but not putting them out there so long that they become overwhelmed and regress.

This memphis game was the perfect example........ burks was playing pretty well and then had a couple of turnovers and suddenly corbin forgot that burks has been arguably the best player on the team for like the last 10 games, so corbin yanked him out
Final tally for the memphis game...... burks 16 minutes. Jefferson 36 minutes. Jazz lose.
Way to let burks work through failures after he has been pretty damn good for a big chunk of games.

 

[GVC]

This memphis game was the perfect example........ burks was playing pretty well and then had a couple of turnovers and suddenly corbin forgot that burks has been arguably the best player on the team for like the last 10 games, so corbin yanked him out
Final tally for the memphis game...... burks 16 minutes. Jefferson 36 minutes. Jazz lose.
Way to let burks work through failures after he has been pretty damn good for a big chunk of games.

How was Jefferson playing? How were they fitting with the available lineups?

Burks is getting more minutes than Jefferson. Those minutes shouldn't be guaranteed. When the vets are out-executing, out-working, out-performing the young guys, they should play. This isn't a matter of "working through failures", it's about focus and entitlement. Burks doesn't strike me as the type of player who sulks after being benched. He should be a lot more focused tonight (and Corbin will deserve some of the credit).

 

[GVC]

I can't tell if this is a joke or not. Corbin is terrible with raw, young players. He plays vets over them without rhyme or reason. Nearly every single one if them (outside of Burke) has regressed under his watch. As far as I'm concerned, this whole season is a lost cause. After the year is done I hope that Corbin and most of his staff are gone (I like Brad Jones and Alex Jensen) and the only players I want back are Kanter, Favors, Hayward, Burks, Burke, Gobert, Evans, Garrett, Neto and maybe Clark. Everyone else can go and be replaced by new draft picks. Give me a new coach and some key acquisitions and this team will make a big jump up next year. Won't happen if they don't play together and build chemistry this year, and that's not what Corbin has been doing.

Shocking. Slack-jawed yokel wants team to keep young players, white coaches.

 

[Coach Ellis]

Shocking. Slack-jawed yokel wants team to keep young players, white coaches.

Please. You don't like my opinion, so you resort to asinine name calling. I like those coaches because of their success at the D league level and because I think that they can help with player development under a new coach next year. It has nothing to do with the color of their skin. I do want to keep the young guys and rebuild. That should be the plan. This team needs a full-fledged rebuild. There's no future success for this team with guys like JLIII, Marvin, Jefferson, Rush and/or Biedrins logging big minutes. So why not at least attempt to see what all the young kids can do together?

 

[GVC]

There's no future success for this team with guys like JLIII, Marvin, Jefferson, Rush and/or Biedrins logging big minutes. So why not at least attempt to see what all the young kids can do together?

You realize Favors, Hayward, Burke, Burks and Kanter are the top 5 in minutes per game on the team, right? These players need to learn how to play in the NBA. The young guys have been given plenty of opportunity as primary ball handlers (Trey, Gordo, Alec) and defensive anchors (Favors). The vets know how to take care of themselves, execute and stay focused over an 82 game season. Corbin has handled the young talent extremely well so far this season.

I tend to agree with coaches like George Karl, Jerry Sloan and others that you want to put young players in a position to succeed. If you give a player too much responsibility too early, the player can become overwhelmed, and instead of building step-by-step the skills needed to succeed, finds shortcuts to survive. If you give a player too little responsibility, the player may lose motivation or become stagnant in their development.

 

[Coach Ellis]

You realize Favors, Hayward, Burke, Burks and Kanter are the top 5 in minutes per game on the team, right? These players need to learn how to play in the NBA. The young guys have been given plenty of opportunity as primary ball handlers (Trey, Gordo, Alec) and defensive anchors (Favors). The vets know how to take care of themselves, execute and stay focused over an 82 game season. Corbin has handled the young talent extremely well so far this season.

We'll just have to agree to disagree. I'm fine with him using the vets to support the young players, and I actually happen to like Marvin, Jefferson and JLIII. . . but I don't think that he's played the young core lineup together nearly as much as he should be. He's always relied on vets over young players to a fault and this year has been no different. I just don't see any point in starting Marvin or Jefferson for the rest of the year. Bring them off the bench.

 

[Darkwing Duck]

Right now, Kanter doesn't know anything in the offense other than post up, pick and pop, and dribble hand off. Throwing him out there for tons of minutes does GVC said, making Kanter find short cuts to survive. Kanter's a proud guy who hates to lose. When you show him the team is 22 points better with him OFF the court and you say "go get 'em tiger," it shows entitlement and not a ton of motivation to get better.

 

[GVC]

He's always relied on vets over young players to a fault and this year has been no different.

The vets are all playing in complementary roles this season. The young players have been given the ball. I fail to see how he's "relying" on the vets.

I just don't see any point in starting Marvin or Jefferson for the rest of the year. Bring them off the bench.

Corbin is mixing young talent with veteran talent. He's keeping at least one decent ball handler on the bench (Alec). He's using Marvin for spacing because Favors+Kanter has been an unmitigated disaster this season. He's playing lineups that work together, so that all the young players can have ample opportunity/responsibility to be productive and successful. Besides, what difference does it make who starts?

 

[One Brow]

We'll just have to agree to disagree. I'm fine with him using the vets to support the young players, and I actually happen to like Marvin, Jefferson and JLIII. . . but I don't think that he's played the young core lineup together nearly as much as he should be. He's always relied on vets over young players to a fault and this year has been no different. I just don't see any point in starting Marvin or Jefferson for the rest of the year. Bring them off the bench.

If their minutes are behind the young players, why does it matter if they are "bench" minutes?