Game Of Thrones

LogGrad98

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Just wanted to say that the last 2 seasons had been a great disappointment for me. Plenty of cliched action and dialogue (we probably had more last second rescues in either of the last 2 seasons that the rest combined). And the whole thing feels like watching a montage of GoT, where events are just shown, and but you don't get to see the road that led to them.

It is still fun, but I can't wait for it to be over.
It was enjoyable but storytelling wise it left a lot of be desired. Particularly I didn't enjoy the Sansa/Arya/Littlefinger story very much. Never bought the tension between the sisters, it just never felt believable and while the scene involving LF in the last episode was very well acted and executed, it was far too predictable.

I do enjoy the little reunions we have between characters who you care about. I kind of hope we get to see the hound and arya reunited in the future.
Is this a result of running out of source material (the books stopped before the last season right?) and now they are relying on stock hollywood writers who only know how to write cliches?
 

Harambe

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Well he has told them the way he intends to end the books. So if you watch the last season, the end will ruin it.
Not wholly. And he could throw a curve ball really, really easily. DutchRudder's mom sized gaps at points between the series and the books.

That being said, I look forward to buying myself TWOW for Christmas 2018. And then a Song of Spring sometime in late 2033. I'll be 50, and yet still perusing /r/asoiaf/ with the nerds there.
 

spycam1

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Could someone please explain to me why they didn't stretch out the series from 7 to 10 episodes? Felt to me like there's been loads of action but not really enough back story to give it depth.


Seems like a win-win. HBO can get more episodes out of it, viewers get a better story with more depth.


And for those who say "Oh they don't have enough time", I mean give me a break, they've done it for all the other seasons why should this be any different? I don't need extra CGI stuff that I know take AGES to produce, I just need more talking & back story to give it more depth.


Very strange decision for me.
I agree, and I'm not totally sure why. But I heard that they did it to raise the budget of each episode; they had the same budget for the whole season, so limiting it to 7 episodes increased what they could do with each one, like episode 4 when Dany ambushes the Lanniser army. I think there are more shots of Dany riding Drogon in that sequence than the rest of the series combined.

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Harambe

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Is this a result of running out of source material (the books stopped before the last season right?) and now they are relying on stock hollywood writers who only know how to write cliches?
IIRC, The DB Bros have been there the whole way directing traffic. So it's not like they're outsourcing to Pakistan. But it has suffered more trying to transfer book > show than running out of source material. Most relevant right now is probably Aegon Targaryen as a unique person(Not Jon Snow/Sand) not actually being in the show. Lady Stoneheart, Sansa/Jayne Poole, Mance Rayder, Illidan Payne, the Dorne storylines were slaughtered. Just to name a few.

It's hard fitting a book to a movie or even a series. If tied up properly in the books, this could go down as the Odyssey of our time.

I found a link that can start. Haven't been through all of it, but the first few I checked were correct to my understanding.

http://www.businessinsider.com/game-of-thrones-books-differences-from-show-2017-4/#missandei-isnt-having-an-almost-romance-with-grey-worm-any-time-soon-in-the-books-because-shes-only-10-2
 

Saint Cy of JFC

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Not wholly. And he could throw a curve ball really, really easily. DutchRudder's mom sized gaps at points between the series and the books.

That being said, I look forward to buying myself TWOW for Christmas 2018. And then a Song of Spring sometime in late 2033. I'll be 50, and yet still perusing /r/asoiaf/ with the nerds there.
He has told them how it will end. He has given them major plot points (like the dragon becoming undead) but he just doesnt tell them (cuz he doesnt know) how those things happen.
 

Saint Cy of JFC

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Could someone please explain to me why they didn't stretch out the series from 7 to 10 episodes? Felt to me like there's been loads of action but not really enough back story to give it depth.


Seems like a win-win. HBO can get more episodes out of it, viewers get a better story with more depth.


And for those who say "Oh they don't have enough time", I mean give me a break, they've done it for all the other seasons why should this be any different? I don't need extra CGI stuff that I know take AGES to produce, I just need more talking & back story to give it more depth.


Very strange decision for me.
IF HBO had their way 100% they would stretch it out for as long as ****ing possible. The reason it's shortened is probably because the producers and actors don't want to have their entire careers tied up in filming GoT.
 

Saint Cy of JFC

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Could someone please explain to me why they didn't stretch out the series from 7 to 10 episodes? Felt to me like there's been loads of action but not really enough back story to give it depth.


Seems like a win-win. HBO can get more episodes out of it, viewers get a better story with more depth.


And for those who say "Oh they don't have enough time", I mean give me a break, they've done it for all the other seasons why should this be any different? I don't need extra CGI stuff that I know take AGES to produce, I just need more talking & back story to give it more depth.


Very strange decision for me.
IF HBO had their way 100% they would stretch it out for as long as ****ing possible. The reason it's shortened is probably because the producers and actors don't want to have their entire careers tied up in filming GoT.
 

Saint Cy of JFC

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And it's not the CGI that takes so long. It's that they have to film on location in areas where you can only film during certain parts of the year to get the right effects. I posted the video of how much ****ing work/money it took to create the location when they had to do it artificially in the iced lake battle scene.
 

Saint Cy of JFC

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Is this a result of running out of source material (the books stopped before the last season right?) and now they are relying on stock hollywood writers who only know how to write cliches?
Partially, but it also just becomes harder to be unpredictable when you get so close to the end (probably huge reason why it's taking him so long to finish).
 

Saint Cy of JFC

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And I'm not sure how actors contracts works for series like these, but I'd imagine they signed them to a set amount of episodes and renegotiating all those actors would be $$$.
 

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IF HBO had their way 100% they would stretch it out for as long as ****ing possible. The reason it's shortened is probably because the producers and actors don't want to have their entire careers tied up in filming GoT.
Do you know that for a fact? I haven't seen it confirmed anywhere.
 

JazzMan4Life

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Common sense would say actors want to get as much money as they can.


Also I don't know of a situation where actors dictate the terms, the producers and directors do.

I think once people make a certain amount their priorities change. The actors in this show have made enough money to support them and their children for life.

At some point work becomes about something other than money.
 

Saint Cy of JFC

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Common sense would say actors want to get as much money as they can.


Also I don't know of a situation where actors dictate the terms, the producers and directors do.
Uhh, actors sign contracts bud. Their price only goes up when the show becomes more popular. Actors very much dictate terms when initial contracts are up and they are a key character on a massively popular series.

I'm sure they would all be willing to comeback for the right price price, but that may be too expensive.

And whose to say sticking on GoT is the best thing for them? Maybe being able to have more time will let them diversify their career past "oh that dude on GoT".

And some people have artistic interest also past "oh that dude on GoT".

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Saint Cy of JFC

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I think once people make a certain amount their priorities change. The actors in this show have made enough money to support them and their children for life.

At some point work becomes about something other than money.
Or thinking about the long term perception of your career. Its probably good to get off the show and start taking other roles so you don't get type casted for the rest of your career.

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Rubashov

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Uhh, actors sign contracts bud. Their price only goes up when the show becomes more popular. Actors very much dictate terms when initial contracts are up and they are a key character on a massively popular series.

I'm sure they would all be willing to comeback for the right price price, but that may be too expensive.

And whose to say sticking on GoT is the best thing for them? Maybe being able to have more time will let them diversify their career past "oh that dude on GoT".

And some people have artistic interest also past "oh that dude on GoT".

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I can't remember if they signed season to season deals or multiple season deals, some have complained publicly that they were treated like hired help. But it should set up most of these actors for the rest of their careers.
 

Saint Cy of JFC

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I can't remember if they signed season to season deals or multiple season deals, some have complained publicly that they were treated like hired help. But it should set up most of these actors for the rest of their careers.
It's public information. The last contracts they signed were for the final 2 seasons. All the main characters are making 2.5 million dollars per episode.

The show really jumped in popularity this season too, so they would probably be able to negotiate even higher if they added an 8th season.
 

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This is probably gonna be the most spun-off show ever. Huge world to explore from tons of different angles and times.
 
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