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Game Thread: Jazz vs. $210 Million Payroll known as the Nets

addictionary said:
Your vision is stuck in today's sight. What did you expect from a guy that has been **** all over by his coach by sending to DL in a team full of mostly not so greater players compared to his level? He is a damn rookie and I saw what I needed from him earlier this season. If I were the Jazz FO man (since the HC won't do jack**** about it) I would give this guy to a physician and bulk him up, make him work with a bigman coach that is also big. Not like Ty who falls down when Kanter hits him. I think there is a gem in there. And it's worth working on.
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Not so sure about Rudy bulking up. Getting stronger yes, but one of his greatest assets is his quickness, especially for a guy his size. Bulking up would take that away. Not every successful player is built like a brick-doo-doo house. Durant and Ray allan and Reggie come to mind.
 
fishonjazz said:
Found the play by play on the utah jazz app.

32 seconds left alec burks get a dunk (great pass from trey and great cut without the ball by burks) to get the jazz within 4.

The jazz foul with 16 seconds left but that doesnt even get them in the penalty. So NJ inbounds and we foul blatche with 14 seconds left. Lol
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Then with 14 seconds, down by 6, we can only get a 2 point shot so we are still down by 4 with 4 seconds left or some such. Burks took the shot available but that was a sucker play and he still should have looked for someone for a 3, that was the only hope.
 
zman1527 said:
Then with 14 seconds, down by 6, we can only get a 2 point shot so we are still down by 4 with 4 seconds left or some such. Burks took the shot available but that was a sucker play and he still should have looked for someone for a 3, that was the only hope.
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Good point
 
zman1527 said:
Then with 14 seconds, down by 6, we can only get a 2 point shot so we are still down by 4 with 4 seconds left or some such. Burks took the shot available but that was a sucker play and he still should have looked for someone for a 3, that was the only hope.
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Didn't someone (Williams?) brick a 3 and Burks scored on a put back. I don't think you can turn down points with that much time left.
 
candrew said:
Didn't someone (Williams?) brick a 3 and Burks scored on a put back. I don't think you can turn down points with that much time left.
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No, Brooklyn played good defense and we couldn't get a catch at teh 3pt line. The best play was to just catch and drive straight to the basket. We needed a 3, but you can't waste time trying to get the ball to the 3pt line, better to just take a split second to get 2, then to take 5 seconds to search for 3.
 
zman1527 said:
Not so sure about Rudy bulking up. Getting stronger yes, but one of his greatest assets is his quickness, especially for a guy his size. Bulking up would take that away. Not every successful player is built like a brick-doo-doo house. Durant and Ray allan and Reggie come to mind.
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Important point. Ömer Aşık had decent touch but lost it after working out. He is still pretty agile for a guy his size in my opinion, but obviously still a little slow and staminaless for the league's pace.

I wouldn't wan Gobert to lose his perks on bulking up neither. True basketball players can achieve success with their talent solely, but if he can be more stronger to be a presence and open up space like Aşık does when he pulls two defenders in the paint for the rebound moment, the Jazz can have more successful three point shooters.
 
candrew said:
Didn't someone (Williams?) brick a 3 and Burks scored on a put back. I don't think you can turn down points with that much time left.
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Cyrone Torbin said:
No, Brooklyn played good defense and we couldn't get a catch at teh 3pt line. The best play was to just catch and drive straight to the basket. We needed a 3, but you can't waste time trying to get the ball to the 3pt line, better to just take a split second to get 2, then to take 5 seconds to search for 3.
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I looked up the play by play.

Williams misses 3 pt shot attempt.
Alec burks rebounds
Alec burks makes 2 pt shot.

good call candrew
 
The problem was the decision to foul/not foul. You either decide to play defense or you don't. Two quick fouls to put them on the line or take your chances by having them run the clock down to 8 seconds. Then try for a 3, foul, and another 3.

Personally, I think fouling is the way to go at 32 seconds. Eight seconds is not a lot of time to get two decent 3-pt attempts + account for the time it takes to commit a foul. But Corbin was completely clueless as to how much time was left. Was comical to see a 24 second shot clock get turned into 30 seconds.
 
I thought he was talking about the play with 0:11 seconds remaining. Jazz needed a 3, but couldn't get an inbounds play at the 3pt line so just opted for a Burks cut to the basket off the pass.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
I thought he was talking about the play with 0:11 seconds remaining. Jazz needed a 3, but couldn't get an inbounds play at the 3pt line so just opted for a Burks cut to the basket off the pass.
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Ya thats what i thought you must have been thinking of.

At that point there was actually 32 seconds left though so they didnt technically NEED a three
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
I thought he was talking about the play with 0:11 seconds remaining. Jazz needed a 3, but couldn't get an inbounds play at the 3pt line so just opted for a Burks cut to the basket off the pass.
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Ya thats what i thought you must have been thinking of.

At that point there was actually 32 seconds left though so they didnt technically NEED a three

Edit: there was a play at 11 seconds left when alec scored a reverse layup but there was no assist involved.

The play at 32 seconds left was the backdoor cut by alec with a great feed by trey, for a burks dunk
 
fishonjazz said:
Ya thats what i thought you must have been thinking of.

At that point there was actually 32 seconds left though so they didnt technically NEED a three

Edit: there was a play at 11 seconds left when alec scored a reverse layup but there was no assist involved.

The play at 32 seconds left was the backdoor cut by alec with a great feed by trey, for a burks dunk
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Yeah, you don't get an assist on an out-of-bounds pass......
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
Yeah, you don't get an assist on an out-of-bounds pass......
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Link?
I went into the basketball statistics manual to try to find where it says that a pass from out of bounds cant be an assist.
This is what I found reguarding assists: An assist is a pass that leads directly to a teammate scoring, if and
only if the player scoring the goal responds by demonstrating
immediate reaction towards the basket. Only one assist can be
credited on any score. Even if the "second-to-last" pass set up the
play, it is not an assist.
An assist is credited when a pass is made to a teammate who
shoots and scores-provided the shooter's immediate intention,
upon receiving the ball, was to shoot and that intention was maintained
until the shot was taken. It does not prohibit an assist where
the shooter takes time to balance or makes a small play to score,
provided the scorer always intended to shoot.
 
Then I did a good search asking "can a player record an assist from out of bounds?"
Found the answer to be yes apparently
 
fishonjazz said:
Then I did a good search asking "can a player record an assist from out of bounds?"
Found the answer to be yes apparently
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FishBro, I have the game in front of me and am actually watching the plays happen. Marvin inbounds to Burks as he has momentum towards basket, Burks takes 1 dribble, does a reverse layup. NO ASSIST TO MARVIN. Would have been an assist if it wasn't an inbounds play. You don't get assist on inbounds plays.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
FishBro, I have the game in front of me and am actually watching the plays happen. Marvin inbounds to Burks as he has momentum towards basket, Burks takes 1 dribble, does a reverse layup. NO ASSIST TO MARVIN. Would have been an assist if it wasn't an inbounds play. You don't get assist on inbounds plays.
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Should have been an assist then according to all the info i can find.

Seems the stats guys missed one
 
fishonjazz said:
Should have been an assist then according to all the info i can find.

Seems the stats guys missed one
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In basketball can you get an assist by throwing an ally-oop pass from out of bounds?
3 years in a cave asked 7 years ago

If the same pass would earn you an assist on the court, would you earn the same stat from a pass originating from an inbounds pass?


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only living boy in NY answered 7 years ago


yes ofcourse.

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Your Uncle Dodge! answered 7 years ago


Yes. As long as the player you pass to scores, you get the assist.

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Beef answered 7 years ago


dwight howard did it this year to win a game not sure who paseed it probaly on youtube. so yes

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riqtan answered 7 years ago


Yes, an assist in basketball is the pass that led directly to a basket.

So an alley oop pass ia an assist regardless if it came from out of bounds.

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varunb007 answered 7 years ago


Yes, it is indeed an assist.

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NorthK answered 7 years ago


Yes. As long as it leads to a score by a field goal. Meaning that the player was "assisting" in the basket

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assist_(basketball)

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t m answered 7 years ago


Yes you can. If you want an example to verify, look at the play by play from the Spurs/Magic game where Dwight got an alley-oop from out of bounds to end the game:

0:00 Orlando 20 Sec. timeout
0:00 104-106 Dwight Howard makes two point shot (Hedo Turkoglu assists)

^^ Turkoglu got the assist and he was the one making the pass from out of bounds.

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https://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playbyplay...

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LanDo821 answered 7 years ago


im a ref and yes it is

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tweety answered 7 years ago


Yes, absolutely you can, and the Howard alley-oop example is perfect to illustrate that point.

However, if the pass accidentally goes in the hoop by itself on the pass from out of bounds, it does not count as a basket.

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qwerty answered 7 years ago


yep

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AdamMs answered 7 years ago


yes




These are all just answers from regular people like you and me so take it for whats its worth (one of them is a ref apparently) but all of these people say that you can get an assist from an out of bounds pass and they seem to cite an ally oop inbounds pass to Dwight howard that was credited as an assist.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
I'm nearly positive inbounds plays are never recorded as assist.
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I honestly had/have no idea but when i use the internet to find out, i find things that make believe it is an assist but cant find anything saying it isnt.

Nothing really conclusive though either way.

The point is you knew what you were talking about on that play 11 seconds left though. So you were right
 
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