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Game Thread: Utah @ BYU, Sat. 9/21 8:15pm MT, ESPN2

Joe Bagadonuts said:
Well then how do violations normally get reported? Do people usually just turn themselves in, is there some sort of an Honor Code Violation Patrol that goes around looking for infractions, do people typically end up getting ratted out by someone else, or is there some other mechanism at play that I haven't thought of? My gut instinct is that the vast majority of infractions are the result of being ratted out, and I could swear I'd heard that students are encouraged to let the Honor Code office know if they become aware of violations.
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The only one that I'm personally aware of involved cheating at the Testing Center. The girl was caught by Testing Center employees.
 
gregbroncs said:
Remember when BYU fans before the season were bragging that they had the best QB in the state? LOL
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I think you have a hyper-active memory. Nearly all BYU fans that I know of would have said that Chuckie Keaton is the best QB in the state.
 
colton said:
The only one that I'm personally aware of involved cheating at the Testing Center. The girl was caught by Testing Center employees.
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A quick online search reveals quite a few people who claim to have been ratted out, but you're certainly closer to the situation than me. No surprise that the angriest people would be the loudest. As far as I'm concerned these students signed the code and should be prepared to deal with the consequences no matter how they get caught. It's irrelevant who ratted them out... even if that person claims to be "a huge Utah fan."

BTW, did you know that a person using the same name as this "huge Utah fan" posted information on a BYU message board before the whole situation broke? Too me it looks doubtful that he was a Utah fan at all. Some people say the real motivation is he was upset that SPENCE is dating his former girlfriend. UGLI mentioned that on this board.
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
A quick online search reveals quite a few people who claim to have been ratted out, but you're certainly closer to the situation than me. No surprise that the angriest people would be the loudest.
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I'm sure it happens. And it probably SHOULD happen sometimes. If my daughter were a student at BYU and her roommate, for example, came home drunk or had a boy sleep over, I would absolutely tell her she should talk to her dorm's RA and if they couldn't resolve things, then the Honor Code office. But what I took exception to was the premise that there was systematic pressure put on students to "tattle" on their fellow students. I've never heard or seen anything like that.

As far as I'm concerned these students signed the code and should be prepared to deal with the consequences no matter how they get caught. It's irrelevant who ratted them out... even if that person claims to be "a huge Utah fan."
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Totally agreed.

BTW, did you know that a person using the same name as this "huge Utah fan" posted information on a BYU message board before the whole situation broke? Too me it looks doubtful that he was a Utah fan at all. Some people say the real motivation is he was upset that SPENCE is dating his former girlfriend. UGLI mentioned that on this board.
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No, didn't know that... but why email it to the Utah people then? Why not directly to the BYU athletic dept or Honor Code office? And why wait for (presumably) a month instead of emailing it earlier? Seems like there are serious flaws with that theory as well.
 
NUMBERICA said:
He won't, because that's just how it is with BYU. They put themselves at competitive disadvantages when they're already at a permanent competitive disadvantage (do I even need to list what they are)? The only way to be the best is to strive towards being the best and that's not what BYU is about. Which is fine.

There is room for some marginal improvement in the program, but national championships are not and will not be realistic nor reasonable goals. Who wants to let students live their lives, be in a major conference, broaden their student and recruiting base, or decide to stop emblazoning the name of the most famous racist that the church has had to offer anyway? They have that moral high-ground to lose if they did any of those things. Good for them, their asses, and the heads that are in them.
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Of course they are not going to change in many aspects. My whole argument has been that Bronco is not the right man for the job and they should look to improve wherever they can. I don't think they will fire Bronco. I do think they should. JMO.
 
colton said:
I'm sure it happens. And it probably SHOULD happen sometimes. If my daughter were a student at BYU and her roommate, for example, came home drunk or had a boy sleep over, I would absolutely tell her she should talk to her dorm's RA and if they couldn't resolve things, then the Honor Code office. But what I took exception to was the premise that there was systematic pressure put on students to "tattle" on their fellow students. I've never heard or seen anything like that.



Totally agreed.



No, didn't know that... but why email it to the Utah people then? Why not directly to the BYU athletic dept or Honor Code office? And why wait for (presumably) a month instead of emailing it earlier? Seems like there are serious flaws with that theory as well.
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I had to stay at my wife's BYU approved housing before we were married because there was a huge storm and there was no way I was driving back to Price through that canyon safely. Her roommates were not happy, but whatever, we ended up moving in with each other at the beginning of next month anyways.

Personally, I think people should get to decide what is good or what isn't good for them. There are always exceptions to the rules. BYU, much like most religions, want to control people in the most grotesque invasive ways possible.
 
Urzajazz said:
I had to stay at my wife's BYU approved housing before we were married because there was a huge storm and there was no way I was driving back to Price through that canyon safely. Her roommates were not happy, but whatever, we ended up moving in with each other at the beginning of next month anyways.

Personally, I think people should get to decide what is good or what isn't good for them. There are always exceptions to the rules. BYU, much like most religions, want to control people in the most grotesque invasive ways possible.
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Tell me about it. My favorite part is where they hold a gun to people's heads and force them to sign the honor code.



You stupid *** hair.
 
colton said:
No, didn't know that... but why email it to the Utah people then? Why not directly to the BYU athletic dept or Honor Code office? And why wait for (presumably) a month instead of emailing it earlier? Seems like there are serious flaws with that theory as well.
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No idea who this guy really is or why he handled things the way he did, but here's a screenshot someone took of the post. In the emails to the U he called himself Darren Lacy, so there is a very good chance this was the same guy. The post was deleted from the message board soon after it was written. He's clearly trying to act as if he's a Cougar fan in this message, though (talking about "our AD," "our Senior LB," etc.). https://i.imgur.com/gUFBejx.jpg
 
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