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Gauging Devin Harris' Trade Value

Was Harris really a team captain in Dallas? Maybe I don't know him, but he doesn't seem to have strong leadership skills. He did a radio interview a couple of weeks ago, he was asked what the Jazz players were doing to get together for practice and conditioning in the offseason and if he was organizing any players training. His underwhelming response was:" Yea, some of the guys are getting together, I guess as the pg the responsibility falls to me, so yea we'll do something."

I don't want a pissed off, angry guy who yells at his teamates and chucks balls at the rookies heads but could we have just a little bit of fire?
 
mellow said:
Was Harris really a team captain in Dallas? Maybe I don't know him, but he doesn't seem to have strong leadership skills. He did a radio interview a couple of weeks ago, he was asked what the Jazz players were doing to get together for practice and conditioning in the offseason and if he was organizing any players training. His underwhelming response was:" Yea, some of the guys are getting together, I guess as the pg the responsibility falls to me, so yea we'll do something."

I don't want a pissed off, angry guy who yells at his teamates and chucks balls at the rookies heads but could we have just a little bit of fire?
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I think you're reading a little too much into this. Harris is definitely a heady, mature guy who greatly appreciated his deliverance from New Jersey last year. I have no concerns about his preparedness. It's his skill level I don't know about, but I got used to having the best passer on earth direct our attack. So he's got the benefit of the doubt from me.
 
Harris to Portland for Miller and Matthews is what I want. Assuming we draft Knight, Miller would be perfect for 20/per to mentor Knight. I would be in love with a backcourt of Knight/Matthews/Hayward. All high character guys. Plus I think having Miller instead of Harris may even improve our team not counting Matthews.
 
sportsnut1232 said:
Harris to Portland for Miller and Matthews is what I want. Assuming we draft Knight, Miller would be perfect for 20/per to mentor Knight. I would be in love with a backcourt of Knight/Matthews/Hayward. All high character guys. Plus I think having Miller instead of Harris may even improve our team not counting Matthews.
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i've said almost the exact same thing. gettr done.
 
HeavenHarris said:
Hello all, long time lurker--first time poster here.
Just wondering what you guys think about Devin Harris.
Presently and long-term.

Recently read a rumor where the UJ Management was open to trading him.
Is that how the fanbase as a whole feel, as well?
What would you want in return? How about a package including Roddy Beaubois, a late 1st round pick, cash and Brendan Haywood from Dallas (which works under the current CBA)? I mention Dallas because Harris himself has said he considers Dallas his home and the Mavs have been rumored to been wanting to bring back their former team captain for a while now.

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I don't buy the "long-time lurker" part.
 
billyshelby said:
I get trading Harris if we get a better PG back, but otherwise I'm very down on the idea. I can't imagine KOC is working any deals for Harris that doesn't include some kind of respectable PG since we have absolutely nothing in that department once he's gone.
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If KOC really is dead set on taking a PG at #3 then Harris is gone inevitably and we're just talking about a question of when.

If the Jazz got Philly involved (since that's KOC's favorite trade partner), we could bring in Roddy B, a re-signed JJ Barea, and Andres Nocioni (who really has an expiring deal since his last year is a team option) for Harris while sending Haywood on to Philly since they basically don't have a center. Add low-value draft picks and cash to taste.

https://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=3n85udf

I don't think that's actually plausible for a number of reasons, the biggest being Haywood's contract, but if the entire goal is "get Harris to Dallas" that works out better than most deals.
 
Sirkickyass said:
If KOC really is dead set on taking a PG at #3 then Harris is gone inevitably and we're just talking about a question of when.

If the Jazz got Philly involved (since that's KOC's favorite trade partner), we could bring in Roddy B, a re-signed JJ Barea, and Andres Nocioni (who really has an expiring deal since his last year is a team option) for Harris while sending Haywood on to Philly since they basically don't have a center. Add low-value draft picks and cash to taste.


https://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=3n85udf

I don't think that's actually plausible for a number of reasons, the biggest being Haywood's contract, but if the entire goal is "get Harris to Dallas" that works out better than most deals.
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I'm not interested in that trade without a pick.

For the record, I don't dislike Devin Harris. In fact, I think he'll play WELL next year. I think trading him will likely result in fewer wins for the Jazz next year (unless they get Miller&Matthews). It just makes more sense the year after next, and the year after that.

that is all.
 
Sirkickyass said:
If KOC really is dead set on taking a PG at #3 then Harris is gone inevitably and we're just talking about a question of when.

If the Jazz got Philly involved (since that's KOC's favorite trade partner), we could bring in Roddy B, a re-signed JJ Barea, and Andres Nocioni (who really has an expiring deal since his last year is a team option) for Harris while sending Haywood on to Philly since they basically don't have a center. Add low-value draft picks and cash to taste.

https://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=3n85udf

I don't think that's actually plausible for a number of reasons, the biggest being Haywood's contract, but if the entire goal is "get Harris to Dallas" that works out better than most deals.
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I think any 'resigned' player is a deal killer without a CBA. Right now, trades have to bring in guys under contract. And I think Dallas is basically stuck with Haywood.

The only megadeal I could conceive of with Harris would be in a package to Indiana for Granger/Collison. Harris goes out with somebody like Al (and ancillary stuff I'm sure.) But unless you know you're getting a promising big in the draft, I'm not sure it would be worth it.
 
billyshelby said:
I get trading Harris if we get a better PG back, but otherwise I'm very down on the idea. I can't imagine KOC is working any deals for Harris that doesn't include some kind of respectable PG since we have absolutely nothing in that department once he's gone.
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... as of this instant.
 
mellow said:
Was Harris really a team captain in Dallas? Maybe I don't know him, but he doesn't seem to have strong leadership skills. He did a radio interview a couple of weeks ago, he was asked what the Jazz players were doing to get together for practice and conditioning in the offseason and if he was organizing any players training. His underwhelming response was:" Yea, some of the guys are getting together, I guess as the pg the responsibility falls to me, so yea we'll do something."

I don't want a pissed off, angry guy who yells at his teamates and chucks balls at the rookies heads but could we have just a little bit of fire?
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YES, he was named a Captain in Dallas, along with Dirk.
His college coach, Bo Ryan, also said he was one of the greatest leaders he'd ever seen and a natural coach on the floor.
Maybe his hesitation in Utah had to do with being the new guy and trying not to ruffle any feathers. In addition to being a great leader, the Devinstator is also the personification of humility and respect.
 
Sirkickyass said:
If KOC really is dead set on taking a PG at #3 then Harris is gone inevitably and we're just talking about a question of when.

If the Jazz got Philly involved (since that's KOC's favorite trade partner), we could bring in Roddy B, a re-signed JJ Barea, and Andres Nocioni (who really has an expiring deal since his last year is a team option) for Harris while sending Haywood on to Philly since they basically don't have a center. Add low-value draft picks and cash to taste.

https://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=3n85udf

I don't think that's actually plausible for a number of reasons, the biggest being Haywood's contract, but if the entire goal is "get Harris to Dallas" that works out better than most deals.
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This is good stuff, friend.
I like the idea, but Philly will likely want to dump more salary if they are taking on Wood's lengthy contract.
How interested is Utah in Iggy? Anyone else on Philly's roster?
 
No on Iggy.

Sadly enough, Spencer Hawes probably interests me the most of anyone on the roster not named Jrue Holiday. But he's an RFA so that won't work.
 
sepanol said:
i would use him in a trade immediately to get brandon knight
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Cavs are taking Irving #1, Wolves already have a bajillion PGs including Ricky Rubio so doubt they take him at #2
I think Knight will be there for the taking at #3 for the Jazz.
Do you really think Knight will be as good as Devin Harris one day tho?
 
HeavenHarris said:
Cavs are taking Irving #1, Wolves already have a bajillion PGs including Ricky Rubio so doubt they take him at #2
I think Knight will be there for the taking at #3 for the Jazz.
Do you really think Knight will be as good as Devin Harris one day tho?
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i think he will be better. Harris is very skilled but he cant use his skills as to be an elite pg. First of all he is more of a scorer than playmaker which is not my preference in pgs. And second, he isnt a guy who can play under pressure, he takes advantage of some weaknesses of low caliber teams but he wouldnt carry a team on his shoulder and win a tough game or two in playoffs. I think knight has more guts to be a better player
 
HeavenHarris said:
Yup, Mavs fan indeed. Hope that's OK, I come in peace.
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Mavs get a free pass for life, IMO, after taking out the hated Lebronians.

As for the proposed deal, no to Hayward. The Jazz are trying to put their fiscal house back in order. We've gotten out from the contracts of Harpring and AK. Next up is Memo. Besides, Harris is a quality starter. Jazz would be crazy not to get a starter in return. Trade him to a contender that wants a veteran PG and get a young rising player in return (just like Dallas did in trading Harris in the first place).

It took Stockton three years to develop into a starter, Even if the Jazz draft Knight, Brandon is pretty raw. Coming off the bench for 15 mins. his first year would be perfect, IMO. Jazz should keep Harris for at least another year, IMO.
 
I can't guarantee much in this draft, but I GUARANTEE Knight is available at #3. I also guarantee he will go on pick #3 or #5.
 
HeavenHarris said:
Yup, Mavs fan indeed. Hope that's OK, I come in peace.

Just trying to figure out some deals that Jazz fans would be OK with.
RoddyB has a lot of potential btw, even at the PG position.
I think Dallas would also be open to a JJBarea sign-n-trade if y'all are interested.
Haywood is a solid, a starting-caliber center, but ya his contract is pretty looooong.
If y'all aren't interested in 'Wood, maybe we can involve some other teams in a 3some or a even a quad-trade scenario to bring the Cap'n back to Dallas.
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Honestly I dont like mavs so much but this year i supported them in the finals like it was jazz. I would be so frustrated to see Miami or Lakers champion this year.

And Beaubois is a very good player from what i have seen, why would mavs be willing to leave him for harris? would u really want that?
 
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