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Gay marriage in Utah put on hold

Was very interested in this international perspective on the church being overly concerned with Utah politics. https://www.patheos.com/blogs/kiwim...ge-or-did-it-just-make-a-bad-situation-worse/

Seems like a massive overreaction to me.

For what it's worth, here's the link to the church statement that she calls "bigoted intolerance and prejudice":
https://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/church-instructs-leaders-on-same-sex-marriage

I don't see anything in there to complain about, but then again that lady would probably consider me a bigot as well, by definition, for opposing gay marriage.
 
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I love me some President Monson, I do, but man I wish I could email him that link. It was a bit over the top, but the overall message was terrific and one that I had never even given a second thought (or first, for that matter) to. What we do in Utah has global consequences. Interesting, to say the least. Thanks for the link.

Maybe he could care less.


The second point raises another interesting side-topic. Would you want a church that changes with the ebbs and flows of societal meanderings, or do you want one that preaches an unchanging gospel and holds to those principles no matter what?
 
Seems like a massive overreaction to me.

For what it's worth, here's the link to the church statement that she calls "bigoted intolerance and prejudice":
https://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/church-instructs-leaders-on-same-sex-marriage

I don't see anything in there to complain about, but then again that lady would probably consider me a bigot as well, by definition, for opposing gay marriage.

Well, you're kind of a company man. I'm waiting for the day you disagree with church leadership on anything. ;)
 
Was very interested in this international perspective on the church being overly concerned with Utah politics. https://www.patheos.com/blogs/kiwim...ge-or-did-it-just-make-a-bad-situation-worse/

I am a Utah Mormon. Born and raised in the heart of Utah county. And I know of many young, active, college educated (from UVU) Mormons who feel the same way as this New Zealand woman:

But of all of the political issues that the Brethren could have gotten their knickers in a twist over, why same-sex marriage? Why not condemn the unholy alliance between public and private interests? Why not address the problems with skyrocketing poverty and inequality? Why not be in indignation over human rights abuses? Or here’s a good one, why not issue a statement on the abuse and exploitations of girls and women? I just don’t think same-sex marriage is worthy of moral outrage. Its not exploitative, its not cruel, it doesn’t create poverty, its not a precursor for war, excessive corporatism, or exploitative economics, its not mean, its not intolerant, its not sexist, its not abusive, its not a social disease and it won’t steal your car or hold you at knife point. Heck, it doesn’t even deny the existence of God. Its simply the legal formalization of a monogamous relationship of choice. And lets face it, its going to happen anyway because its a nonsense to assume that we can completely turn off our sexual orientation, and thus who we end up loving

If our church is going to involve itself on politics, then darn it focus on something that matters.

Locally, why the hell is the church silent on the gross air pollution, dead last in per-pupil education funding, or nasty Swallow/Shurtleff political corruption? It's bad here. The lack of transparency and one party rule is hitting a breaking point. Even fellow GOP candidates (like Rep Daw) are being attacked by corrupt politics.

At one point last year, we had worse air quality than Shanghai. How can anyone enjoy the beauty of temple square when people are wearing masks to breathe? Certainly air pollution does worse to the masses than the few people who choose to get a gay marriage, right?

And if we truly are concerned over children, then why do we accept the terrible education funding? 20 year old textbooks and 40+ in a classroom meant to hold only 25 certainly will do more damage to the masses than 1 child in 2,000 that will be raised by a gay couple, right?

In just the past year hundreds of Deseret Industries employees were cut to part time status so they wouldn't have to give their employees health benefits. However, because Utah rejected the Medicaid Expansion, those employees are left high and dry. Are the thousands left without health care in Utah just something to ignore?

These state issues would be resolved overnight if the church would just send out an official announcement on them as they have done countless times about gay marriage.

Nationally... What about trickle down garbage? Lack of banking regulation? Worker protections? Rises in inequality? Senseless wars? Out of control defense spending? Certainly this is more detrimental to the future of our country than gay marriage, right? Or does god look the other way when heterosexual bankers lie and steal from their customers?

I just look back at the time, energy, and money wasted on DOMA and now Amend 3 and just wonder how much more good could have been accomplished had those resources been used more wisely?

Let god sort out the sinners. Those engaged in sinful marriages or sexual relations will be dealt with in their own good time.

Let's focus on actually improving our world. Let's focus on stuff that actually matters.
 
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Maybe, if you truly believe in your church, and believe it is led by a prophet, then maybe you (meaning you in general, not aimed at anyone) should take what the prophet thinks is important and just consider that in God's eyes maybe that IS the most important issue(s) of the day. Maybe we are being tricked by the adversary to think these things are not important while the prophet is trying again and again to bring us back to what truly matters.

Just playing devi...uh, God's advocate?
 
I ain't reading all 20 pages, but I'm against gay marriage.

That is all.

I'm against soda. **** is downright destructive to our society and we all end up paying the price, even if we don't consume it.
 
I'm against soda. **** is downright destructive to our society and we all end up paying the price, even if we don't consume it.

Im against fruit
Nasty ****
 
You're fizzling out here, Brow. Might just want to give up on this one.

Post #273 talked about the attempt to "gayify" our lives, how every successful show must have a "gay presence". That there are only 15 shows with any gay presence on network TV in prime time (less than 15 total hours, compared to some 83 hours of prime time), most of which have just one gay character, often whose gayness is not regularly discussed, seems to demonstrate that the reaction is far out of proportion to the actual presence.
 
The second point raises another interesting side-topic. Would you want a church that changes with the ebbs and flows of societal meanderings, or do you want one that preaches an unchanging gospel and holds to those principles no matter what?

The first being the LDS, and the second being the Catholic Church? I mean, the LDS statement colton linked to says the positions will continue to evolve.
 
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