RandyForRubio
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Right, and I'm the one with the hateful message here.
I think we're all sinners, and I don't think any less of anybody for their sins. I've been in the same place, so why would I look down on somebody for doing something I've done?
I don't need you to believe me, Jim. I would hope that you did, and I wish you really could see my heart in this, but I do not need nor do I seek your approval. If you're going to continue responding the way you just did, save your breath, because it does not justify a response.
I'm thinking, tbh.
I'm weighing good people wanting to protect themselves/told the can't. Vs. no guns.. Except those that try (a la coke).
Not an easy call.
JimLes
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Only one direction, though. You can hate gays without going to a club and shooting it up, but you can't specifically target and shoot up a gay club without hating guys. Either way, without hating gays, none of this ever happens.
You're trying to make a point beyond the conversation. It's obvious.
What is it you're trying to say, Jim?
JimLes
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I don't think you know what hate really is. I've lived through two brutal ethnic wars and I have had genocide(no, not in an exaggerated sense, but actual court ruling, legal sense) perpetrated against my own countrymen. I have had to hide my own ethnic background from people during one of those wars because it just wasn't something that would've made my life easier had too many people known. I know you think you mean well and all that, but you know jack all about what words and thoughts can lead to. Count yourself lucky you never had to learn.
But to come here after this many people have been killed for nothing more than who they are and then say "Look, I think gay people are sinning but I don't want them killed" and act like you deserve a cookie for saying it deserves a "**** you." It's insensitive, hateful, and downright idiotic. You are not part of the solution. You are part of the problem.
Just like the people saying Islamophobic stuff in this very thread. You know how this will play out. At some point, some Dylann Roof type moron will get a gun and enter a mosque instead of a black church. And he's going to kill a bunch of random people at jumu'ah and everyone will post here how horrified they are and how terrible it all is and how sure, they might have said a negative thing or two about the rising Muslim immigration to the States or how Muslims are or aren't doing this or that. But they meant well. And surely, they could not possibly be morally responsible, even in the tiniest way for the climate of hate. The shooter was probably mentally ill, they always are, right?
Just like you thinking homosexuality is a sin in no way increases general homophobia in the society. Nope, nope, nope. That's just your belief and who am I to question it. And the world gets worse and worse every day. The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere the ceremony of innocence is drowned.
JimLes
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That a man does not wake up in the morning having, all on his own, figured out that gays are subhuman and must be killed. That things said and done by those around him influence him. They are, to a degree, complicit in it.
Then you are complicit in the church shooting in S Carolina a few months ago. I hope you're ashamed.
So these radicals are justified?
GVC
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You have a serious reading comprehension problem in this thread. He never said anything that even weakly implies that the killer's actions were justified.