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George Hill wants an extension. Need capologists in here

If we use all the cap space on Hill, we can front load a 3/$45M deal that goes $20M->$13M-$12M. It would be the money equivalent of Hill signing a 2/$37M deal this summer.
 
Hedda Gambler said:
The problem is that if we extend Hill now, we will have no way to extend Favors until his deal runs out. By extending Hill now, we would use most of our cap space in doing so, leaving nothing, or very little for Favors. Next summer, Gobert`s new deal and Hayward`s massive cap hold kicks in. If Hayward leaves, then sure, but if not, we can`t extend Favors as we would be way over the cap. Under the current CBA, it would make more sense to extend Favors now and wait until the summer to do Hill by using his Bird rights. But, we don`t know what is in the new CBA, which may hold provisions that could change all of this.
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I don't agree with this. I think you're taking a much bigger risk by letting Hill go to FA. He's finally in the perfect position, and I expect him to have a monster year with Utah. On the other hand, Favors is under contract for another year, and is also somewhat of a question mark health wise. I really hate not giving him his money, after getting him for a bargain on his last contract, but I think the best move for Utah if they have to choose, is to extend Hill and gamble on being able to re-sign Favors when his contract runs out, using his bird rights.

I will admit though, that this situation is pretty complicated. It will be interesting to see what happens.
 
Cappy_Smurf said:
I don't agree with this. I think you're taking a much bigger risk by letting Hill go to FA. He's finally in the perfect position, and I expect him to have a monster year with Utah. On the other hand, Favors is under contract for another year, and is also somewhat of a question mark health wise. I really hate not giving him his money, after getting him for a bargain on his last contract, but I think the best move for Utah if they have to choose, is to extend Hill and gamble on being able to re-sign Favors when his contract runs out, using his bird rights.

I will admit though, that this situation is pretty complicated. It will be interesting to see what happens.
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Also who is more ready as the backup if the player leaves, Lyles for Favors or Exum for Hill?


I think Lyles is more ready and with Gobert I think there's enough there to say if Favors does leave we might still be ok. Exum is still pretty raw with his shooting..
 
Quick question. . . in the calculations, are the Jazz limited to only using available cap space for extensions, even though they have Bird rights for both Hill and Favors? Couldn't they go over the cap to extend them?

I love Burks, but Hill is the missing link. Keep Hill, Hayward, Hood, Exum, Lyles, Favors and Gobert. Everything else is interchangeable. Jazz still have contracts and assets that they can use to sign, trade or draft to fill the role players.
 
I think we end up with Favs and Hill staying. However I think DL will find a door #3. I'm not smart enough to tell you what type of move that will be, nor which players come and go. I do think it has to do with the culture we have and we get more options the more we win. The franchise has begun to change the image and culture here. It may be a discount, it may be an unexpected FA vet a la JJ, but I just don't feel like this team has completed the rebuild and I don't think this year or next is the plateau.

Now back to the capologists to splain how this all comes about.
 
Hill will probably require something in the $15-16M/year contract.

Rajon Rondo signed with Chicago for a contract averaging $14+

I know it is a small sample size and after Hayward returns, the numbers could change. We are having to rely on Hill a lot at this time due to injuries etc. But there were only 5 PGs last season that averaged 21 pts/3 Rebs/4 Assists per game. Rajon Rondo averaged 11.9 pts, 6 Rebs and 11.7 Assists and got $14M.

Hills assists will go up with Hayward's return and his points will most likely drop some. But then again, Hayward's return may help Hill a little on points due to spacing out the floor more and drawing more attention

The following is for last season stats with the top PGs in those three categories and Hills stats so far this season as a comparison.

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Ellis269 said:
Quick question. . . in the calculations, are the Jazz limited to only using available cap space for extensions, even though they have Bird rights for both Hill and Favors? Couldn't they go over the cap to extend them?

I love Burks, but Hill is the missing link. Keep Hill, Hayward, Hood, Exum, Lyles, Favors and Gobert. Everything else is interchangeable. Jazz still have contracts and assets that they can use to sign, trade or draft to fill the role players.
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For renegotiation and extensions, you have to use cap space. For re-signing your own players after their contract is up, you can go over the cap if you have their Bird rights.
 
♪alt13 said:
I feel better after looking at the Spurs salary situation. It doesn't look like they have a viable way to clear space to sign Hill. EDIT: Damnit I just realized that Pau could opt out with a gentleman's agreement. We need to lock Hill up.

https://hoopshype.com/salaries/san_antonio_spurs/
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Not sure why Pau would do that. The Spurs wouldn`t have any kind of Bird rights AFAIK, meaning that he could not opt out and then re-sign over the cap.
 
If management doesn't put out the money necessary to retain the team they're betraying the fanbase big time. The franchise evaluation has doubled in the last 5 years and projects to grow further as Goodell continues tanking the NFL.
If you went to a broker and told him about an investment that's gonna double within a decade and has almost 0 risk to drop in value...
But we'll see if Lindsey can convince the owners to reinvest some of the money that the franchise has generated back into a contention window.
I like the front loaded salary structure idea for Hill. Not sure if some of the younger guys on the team would be willing to do that as that could affect future contracts potentially.
 
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