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Global Climate Status Report
Here is a presentation of the jet stream.... it's been on the south side for a few weeks now, and has been at times quite prolific in terms of moisture content.
https://www.wunderground.com/maps/wind/jet-stream
Notice the "polar vortex" centered on the Hudson Bay. Studies of past ice ages have consistently centered the most dramatic ice build-ups here.... not in Russia or Siberia or Northern Europe quite so much. I think this pattern is characteristic of ice ages.
Yes, one the ice is established, the oceans begin to cool as well.... but the moisture source for the snow and ice buildup is lower latitude.....
https://www.wunderground.com/maps/wind/jet-stream
Notice the "polar vortex" centered on the Hudson Bay. Studies of past ice ages have consistently centered the most dramatic ice build-ups here.... not in Russia or Siberia or Northern Europe quite so much. I think this pattern is characteristic of ice ages.
Yes, one the ice is established, the oceans begin to cool as well.... but the moisture source for the snow and ice buildup is lower latitude.....
And here's a feature article from the same site, from yesterday:
https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/Weirdly-Quiet-Sun-May-Get-Even-Quieter-and-BTW-Earth-Still-Warming
Before this site was "bought out" for a fair price by folks committed to the global warming political crusade, you could get reasoned discussions about the topic here. But no more.
Here, Bob Henson has to go out of his way to deny the correlation between solar cycles and earth climate....
There are no studies on solar cycles and earth climate in the long run, on the geologic time scale of ice age events... because all the evidence we have access to is buried in our muck and rock and ice. We don't even have studies which look for solar wind remnants in earth sediments or rock..... some isotope studies could theoretically link solar wind particles to the relative abundance of certain isotopes which could result. Beryllium, for example, is thought to be formed in our upper atmosphere from charged particles found in the "solar wind". But has anyone ever gotten a grant on a proposal to study sediments across geologic time to determine the relative abundance of Beryllium for the purpose of understanding solar flare history across geologic time?
I don't think so. but I'll be looking it up....
My point.... two items here presented.... in favor of my hypothesis of an ice age advent.... happening now.
https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/Weirdly-Quiet-Sun-May-Get-Even-Quieter-and-BTW-Earth-Still-Warming
Before this site was "bought out" for a fair price by folks committed to the global warming political crusade, you could get reasoned discussions about the topic here. But no more.
Here, Bob Henson has to go out of his way to deny the correlation between solar cycles and earth climate....
There are no studies on solar cycles and earth climate in the long run, on the geologic time scale of ice age events... because all the evidence we have access to is buried in our muck and rock and ice. We don't even have studies which look for solar wind remnants in earth sediments or rock..... some isotope studies could theoretically link solar wind particles to the relative abundance of certain isotopes which could result. Beryllium, for example, is thought to be formed in our upper atmosphere from charged particles found in the "solar wind". But has anyone ever gotten a grant on a proposal to study sediments across geologic time to determine the relative abundance of Beryllium for the purpose of understanding solar flare history across geologic time?
I don't think so. but I'll be looking it up....
My point.... two items here presented.... in favor of my hypothesis of an ice age advent.... happening now.
It's official. Authorities are asking for predictions...…(!!!!!!)
https://spa.agu.org/spa-section-newsletter-volume-xxv-issue-78/
https://spa.agu.org/spa-section-newsletter-volume-xxv-issue-78/
So here is one research article of interest:
"This low ratio suggests that lithium is produced when energetic protons from solar flares induce spallation reactions with 16O and 12C present in the photosphere."
https://www.nature.com/articles/46235
"This low ratio suggests that lithium is produced when energetic protons from solar flares induce spallation reactions with 16O and 12C present in the photosphere."
https://www.nature.com/articles/46235
And more.... this is actually a wholly different topic.... but very important climate cycles:
"Using a coupled lithium-carbon model, we show that initiation of the glaciation was likely caused by declining CO2 degassing, which triggered abrupt global cooling, and much lower weathering rates. This lower CO2 drawdown during the glaciation allowed climatic recovery and deglaciation. Combined, the data and model provide support from the geological record for the operation of the weathering thermostat."
https://www.geochemicalperspectivesletters.org/article1726
This says, in babe terminology, that carbonic acid in rain can dissolve common rocks..... a process that decreases atmospheric CO2 and even oceanic CO2 content. The low CO2 starts the ice ages..... and cools everything off.... and then CO2 levels spring back and things start to warm up.
The system as a whole stabilizes and/or regulates climate like a "thermostat" of global proportions.
ah ha.
How many "Global Thermostat Deniers" do we have to send to re-education camps?
and yah yah. Trump doesn't care that much, so you're all safe.
And anyway.... I was looking for a way to objectively measure long-cycle, geologic time-scale cycles, of our sun's solar wind by evidence left here on earth.
basic hypothesis…. The sun is important, maybe most important, in earth climate changes....
more to come.
"Using a coupled lithium-carbon model, we show that initiation of the glaciation was likely caused by declining CO2 degassing, which triggered abrupt global cooling, and much lower weathering rates. This lower CO2 drawdown during the glaciation allowed climatic recovery and deglaciation. Combined, the data and model provide support from the geological record for the operation of the weathering thermostat."
https://www.geochemicalperspectivesletters.org/article1726
This says, in babe terminology, that carbonic acid in rain can dissolve common rocks..... a process that decreases atmospheric CO2 and even oceanic CO2 content. The low CO2 starts the ice ages..... and cools everything off.... and then CO2 levels spring back and things start to warm up.
The system as a whole stabilizes and/or regulates climate like a "thermostat" of global proportions.
ah ha.
How many "Global Thermostat Deniers" do we have to send to re-education camps?
and yah yah. Trump doesn't care that much, so you're all safe.
And anyway.... I was looking for a way to objectively measure long-cycle, geologic time-scale cycles, of our sun's solar wind by evidence left here on earth.
basic hypothesis…. The sun is important, maybe most important, in earth climate changes....
more to come.
One Brow
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Yep.
Do you understand what "global" means? Do you think there are snow-packs in Australia?
One Brow
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Fixed it for you.
Hence the reason he said almost everywhere.
One Brow
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So, there are snow packs in India? Vietnam? The Congo?
There are snow packs in the northern temperate region as warming in the arctic has pushed cold air south. That's a consequence of global warming, nor evidence against it (nor for it).
There is this small range of mountains that runs through India. Maybe you're heard of it? The Himalayas. I believe there may be some snow pack there.
Here is a pic of the Rwrenzoi Mountains on the Congo side.
That might be some snow pack that I see.
And a bit less dramatic, it does snow in Vietnam, notably Sa Pa, Vietnam albeit only during a short window and it does melt off quickly. It is a huge tourist attraction.
Joe Bagadonuts
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Do you seriously believe this **** that you say, or are you just a troll?
One Brow
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Do I seriously believe the climatologists who describe these things? Yes. Have I misrepresented them? Maybe, but not intentionally.
Do you have anything besides your incredulity to offer?
What I was referring to, specifically, is mountainous areas of the US West above 6000 feet, particularly in the Sierras, because I was expressing my astonishment at how much snow is piling up in areas I regularly see, and have seen in other years. Last year, there were impressive floods in California, highway closures in the spring in the San Joaquin Valley and Bay delta areas, and this years snow is more. I actually neglected to deal with the "global" snowpack issues, particularly in Australia, where it does snow in some of the southeastern mountain areas above 5000 feet. But those "snowpacks" will melt off typically about September.....
As a matter of fact, the sun is still much more important as a climate driver than human industrial or general fuel burning activities. It is credibly believed by some that ocean degassing as the oceans warm late in the interglacial periods is more important as a cause of increasing atmospheric CO2 than our activities.
A lot of other natural processes are being ignored as well, because of the decision to hype the combustion problem.
A little more time spent looking at your information sources with a critical eye might help solve your own credulity issues.
So way back in the Seventies, I was reading politicized crap about how we needed global plans to cope with the impending Ice Age.
I did a little reading, and noticed a study that reported a sharp temperature spike of ten to twenty years' duration, supposedly immediately before the onset of every studied ice age....
melting ice produces fresh water at 36F, which is as dense as water gets. Ice floats, ice melt sinks. Deep oceanic water is that temp. The thickness of that bottom layer must vary, and must decrease when ice packs are depleted and ice melt flows decrease.... and saline mixing flows decrease as well...… meaning surface temps and temps at depth both rise in such a situation.
At any rate, the magnitude of temp changes associated with ice ages/interglacial warm periods is about 10 C plus or minus about 3C.
Some estimates of the CO2 content of our oceans place it orders of magnitude larger than our atmosphere, with an equilibrium that is highly affected by water temps....
So in my estimation, the proposed "thermostat' process for earth climate is on a scale that could prevail over our fuel use in longer time spans.
But political players with schemes for personally enriching themselves, or grabbing more political power, are not any kind of people to entrust with our welfare. They don't care what is "truth", nor do they care what happens from their games/policies. If they are obviously proven to be dead wrong, they'll be out in front of cameras the next day with some "new" scare they proclaim to be solving.... for their own advantage once again....
I did a little reading, and noticed a study that reported a sharp temperature spike of ten to twenty years' duration, supposedly immediately before the onset of every studied ice age....
melting ice produces fresh water at 36F, which is as dense as water gets. Ice floats, ice melt sinks. Deep oceanic water is that temp. The thickness of that bottom layer must vary, and must decrease when ice packs are depleted and ice melt flows decrease.... and saline mixing flows decrease as well...… meaning surface temps and temps at depth both rise in such a situation.
At any rate, the magnitude of temp changes associated with ice ages/interglacial warm periods is about 10 C plus or minus about 3C.
Some estimates of the CO2 content of our oceans place it orders of magnitude larger than our atmosphere, with an equilibrium that is highly affected by water temps....
So in my estimation, the proposed "thermostat' process for earth climate is on a scale that could prevail over our fuel use in longer time spans.
But political players with schemes for personally enriching themselves, or grabbing more political power, are not any kind of people to entrust with our welfare. They don't care what is "truth", nor do they care what happens from their games/policies. If they are obviously proven to be dead wrong, they'll be out in front of cameras the next day with some "new" scare they proclaim to be solving.... for their own advantage once again....
One Brow
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So, why title the the thread "Global Climate Status Report" if you are just doing local weather?
Those natural processes *are* in the climate scientists calculations.
*Chuckle*. This from the person who thinks climate scientists don't account for natural processes in their models.
Red
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Meanwhile, the Discovery Institute and the Heartland Institute target young minds:
https://www.newscenter1.tv/school-lessons-targeted-by-climate-change-doubters/
https://www.newscenter1.tv/school-lessons-targeted-by-climate-change-doubters/