Global Climate Status Report

[Carbon13]

As hard as it will be to win public opinion, it is the thing that must be done.

Ok sure, but what about economics?

 

[babe]

So here is an article from a clearly bought-and-paid-for anti-development source.... on the Grand Staircase thing....

https://www.hcn.org/issues/49.22/mo...nte-coal-and-dinosaur-fossil-lie-side-by-side

Pretty sure @Red is a subscriber to this.

another current article, reviewing the Monument from a local point of view...

https://www.eenews.net/stories/1060040270

Coal can be used clean, with the cost of scrubbing emissions and extracting useful stuff from flue dusts.... lots of salts, trace minerals.... I consider a heap of coal ash to be a sort of mine, inviting development and extraction of profitable materials, which would secure the toxic elements and produce a fine fertilizer and road-building material.

But coal is nowhere near as interesting to me as cold fusion.... even established nuclear technologies are not even on the same scale as cold fusion. Plasma nuclear reactors using hydrogen fuel have no waste issues to speak of, but despite many years of research we are still not anywhere close...

cold fusion is progressing... LENR.... quietly. Quietly, on purpose.

 

[babe]

Ok sure, but what about economics?

I thought I dismissed that concern as mostly political in nature, not in actual physical reality "economics".

Well, OK. We should do a separate thread on that. Pretty sure you are currently pretty well-informed, and I will have to work to answer your knowledge.

 

[Carbon13]

I thought I dismissed that concern as mostly political in nature, not in actual physical reality "economics".

Well, OK. We should do a separate thread on that. Pretty sure you are currently pretty well-informed, and I will have to work to answer your knowledge.

Hydrocarbons rule because they are cheapest. That’s the challenge

 

[babe]

Hydrocarbons rule because they are cheapest. That’s the challenge

They do in fact establish the competitive challenge. But "they are the cheapest" for fundamental reasons like convenience, accessibility, simplicity/// and political manipulations. There is a technological establishment that is built around them, but there is opportunity..... and in terms of abundance and potential convenience under a yet-to-be-developed technological establishment... they can be beat.

Rockefellers' Rules begin with "Limit Access", "Shut down Competition, whatever the cost", and "Use Theirs First". Actually a pretty smart plan. But Trump is rocking the Rockefeller boat, and that is why he is being "deplatformed" politically with such extreme urgency.

I think Russia actually has more oil/gas than we do, more than the middle east, which is why we keep the proverbial boot on them, obstructing development every way we can.... and we can because we control a lot of the expertise for development. and the capital markets.

I think geological estimates of Uranium, Thorium.....fissionable materials are publicly understated. The production of deuterium is regulated, licensed. But in terms of abundance in nature and accessibility, deuterium is off the scale of every other potential source of energy.

Cold fusion was politically squashed, but research has continued, and pilot plants are being built today. Just expect them to be heavily regulated, regulated out of economic use.

 

[Carbon13]

They do in fact establish the competitive challenge. But "they are the cheapest" for fundamental reasons like convenience, accessibility, simplicity/// and political manipulations. There is a technological establishment that is built around them, but there is opportunity..... and in terms of abundance and potential convenience under a yet-to-be-developed technological establishment... they can be beat.

Rockefellers' Rules begin with "Limit Access", "Shut down Competition, whatever the cost", and "Use Theirs First". Actually a pretty smart plan. But Trump is rocking the Rockefeller boat, and that is why he is being "deplatformed" politically with such extreme urgency.

I think Russia actually has more oil/gas than we do, more than the middle east, which is why we keep the proverbial boot on them, obstructing development every way we can.... and we can because we control a lot of the expertise for development. and the capital markets.

I think geological estimates of Uranium, Thorium.....fissionable materials are publicly understated. The production of deuterium is regulated, licensed. But in terms of abundance in nature and accessibility, deuterium is off the scale of every other potential source of energy.

Cold fusion was politically squashed, but research has continued, and pilot plants are being built today. Just expect them to be heavily regulated, regulated out of economic use.

Oil and gas are cheapest because it’s so abundant, capital costs are low, it’s energy dense, and dependable. Renewables and nuclear can’t check all of those boxes.

Russia doesn’t have more oil than the US or Middle East. Production decline curves, gas to oil ratios, and water / gas floods and secondary recovery methods allow us to estimate competitor reserves. Saudi Aramco finally released reserves estimates from the Ghawar field once they went public. Russia isn’t touching Ghawar.

But again, it boils down to economics. You can have all the oil in the world and if it’s not economic you can’t produce it.

 

[One Brow]

Oil and gas are cheapest because it’s so abundant, capital costs are low, it’s energy dense, and dependable. Renewables and nuclear can’t check all of those boxes.

You missed "highly compatible with the current infrastructure", which is the real reason oil/gas are preferred.

 

[Carbon13]

You missed "highly compatible with the current infrastructure", which is the real reason oil/gas are preferred.

Part of it no doubt. Trillions of dollars are invested in existing infrastructure with 50 to 70 year life cycles. You don’t just throw that out. Oil and gas is responsible for 85% of our electrical generation. It will be a long time before it is over thrown.

The most damning plot of all

 

[Red]

So here is an article from a clearly bought-and-paid-for anti-development source.... on the Grand Staircase thing....

The article described an area cut from Grand Staircase that is particularly rich in Late Cretaceous vertebrate remains, especially dinosaurs. In fact, it was described as one of the best dinosaur graveyards remaining. It adopted the point of view of vertebrate paleontologists. What do you imagine their opinion would be if mining coal meant impacting that dinosaur graveyard? Their position is to be expected. You say anti-development. It could also be described as pro-preservation of a paleontological resource, pro-preservation of America's paleontological heritage, including for future study by science. I doubt the scientists involved had to be "bought and paid" by anyone who was anti-development to adopt the position expressed by the article. I could have written the article, because I love paleontology, without anti-development sources buying me.

Pretty sure @Red is a subscriber to this.

If by "this", you mean preserving my nation's paleontological heritage, and learning about a distant past in the Earth's history via excavation and study of that rich resource, then sure, I subscribe to that. Love of science in general, love of paleontology, love of advancement of knowledge, sure, those are admirable goals I support. The monument was created in the first place, in part due to its rich paleontological treasures. I have no problem with that rationale for its creation.

 

[babe]

The article described an area cut from Grand Staircase that is particularly rich in Late Cretaceous vertebrate remains, especially dinosaurs. In fact, it was described as one of the best dinosaur graveyards remaining. It adopted the point of view of vertebrate paleontologists. What do you imagine their opinion would be if mining coal meant impacting that dinosaur graveyard? Their position is to be expected. You say anti-development. It could also be described as pro-preservation of a paleontological resource, pro-preservation of America's paleontological heritage, including for future study by science. I doubt the scientists involved had to be "bought and paid" by anyone who was anti-development to adopt the position expressed by the article. I could have written the article, because I love paleontology, without anti-development sources buying me.



If by "this", you mean preserving my nation's paleontological heritage, and learning about a distant past in the Earth's history via excavation and study of that rich resource, then sure, I subscribe to that. Love of science in general, love of paleontology, love of advancement of knowledge, sure, those are admirable goals I support. The monument was created in the first place, in part due to its rich paleontological treasures. I have no problem with that rationale for its creation.

I'd be surprised if you didn't subscribe to the magazine. no slur intended.

It's pretty hard to be all things to all people. We all cut corners and put our chips down where we think the win is.

 

[jazzrule]

Just the facts, folks.

This is an El Nino year, with an augmented ocean warmth to boot. Tremendous snowpacks almost everywhere, flooding events/hazards/prospects distributed widely across the country.

Just the facts folks. The liberals will use climate change to get money, votes and power. Do a search of New York City under water by 2015. ABC news and Al Gore (democratic presidential candidate) predicted it. They are right about one thing...man is responsible for the bad things happening to the earth. "Matthew 24 - 6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumors of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. 8 All these are the beginning of sorrows." God with the wave of his hand can reverse all things regarding climate change, but he won't because he punishes the wicked. A mother in labor says take it I don't want it she screams, but the baby lives despite the attempted abortion. We will set the living baby aside and make it comfortable, and then the mother can make the decision to kill it. This is just one example of the wickedness of today's world. The scriptures also say in the latter days paraphrased the children will not respect their parents and there will be lack of love between parents and children. Read about all the parents killing their children and children killing their parents. You can not stop God's punishment by lowering carbon emissions folks, but you can get ready for Christ second coming. The scriptures tell us the earth will receive it's paradisiacal glory when Christ comes, that means it will return to the state it was in when Adam and Eve were in the garden of eden...no thorns or briars. Quit trying to save the earth for the creator of the earth will return and save it. Try to save yourself through faith in Christ, that is something you can do.

 

[One Brow]

Just the facts folks. The liberals will use climate change to get money, votes and power. Do a search of New York City under water by 2015. ABC news and Al Gore (democratic presidential candidate) predicted it.

Just the facts: it was one guy on ABC hyping up one special discussing worst-case scenarios, and Gore talking about what would happen if various ice sheets melts. I suppose facts don't really matter to you.

but you can get ready for Christ second coming.

Some nutjob who preached for a few months in Israel, went to Jerusalem, stirred up trouble, and got himself killed? They're a dime a dozen.