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Heathme said:
Poll: Doomsday Clock Democrats Oppose Safe, Clean Nuclear Power


https://www.breitbart.com/politics/...split-on-nuclear-power-despite-safety-record/
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The same kind of mass mesmerization/political propaganda/fake education that today is driving the AGW believers was used to kill Nuclear Power.

I am also following "Cold Fusion", now commonly referred to as "LENR" or "Low Energy Nuclear Reactions", which is still a promising area for power generation. Cold Fusion was viciously and unscientifically attacked by the Fossil Fuel Cartels, who are in fact today driving the AGW cause.... think "Al Gore" and where his family moolah came from, BP and Standard Oil.

John D. Rockefeller, arguably the real R in the real "Republican Party", had the genius to see that supply is not the key to Cartel success..... Price is. He did everything to conceal the abundance of oil and put it out of production, cutting supplies as much as he could possibly achieve. Yes, he would do gas wars to run competitors outta business, then buy their holdings and shut them down.

JD had the further genius to see that where oil is concerned, the future belongs to those who don't produce their resources. "Use Theirs First" was his policy, and he was joined by the other majors..... we produced the oil in the Persian Gulf as matter of long-term policy to make sure they would not become actually the dominant geopolitical power center.

I concede the genius of both of these ideas, and in JD's place I would do the same if I could.

But it also meant that we could not allow Cold Fusion or Nuclear become the "only game in town". So what we have now, is, simply put......A grand scam scheme to convert oil reserves, coal reserves, into marketable "Carbon Credits", where we as a world pay the Cartelist Robber Barons not to produce their wares.... which they wanted to do in the first place.

Damn, I hate the genius of these scammers.

But we should not just let them run our world.
 
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Heathme said:
Poll: Doomsday Clock Democrats Oppose Safe, Clean Nuclear Power


https://www.breitbart.com/politics/...split-on-nuclear-power-despite-safety-record/
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Heathme said:
Global Warming Has Been Canceled: Key Greenland Glacier Has Expanded. Ocasio-Cortez Hardest Hit


https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattv...ng-is-such-a-threat-that-it-caused-a-n2543745
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Technically, the basic idea here is wrong. I mean the stupid gloating about a temporary return to glaciation driven by an ocean circulation oscillation that typically runs a few years.

What I expect to see in the shorter term of say 20-50 years, is the rapid warming the alarmists are beating fear-mongering drums about. And a lot more meltoff of our polar ice, and a rise in our ocean levels, and a corresponding decrease in overall salinity. While the salinity or expanding surface area of the oceans might not be significant, really, in numerical proportions, the decreasing cold water inflows and less vigorous mixing currents will mean large areas of warmer than now ocean surface and lots more evaporation. If the ocean temps overall have increased even 1 degree C, the impact will be huge. Hurricanes by the score, superstorms coming onshore.... During the winter, lots more snow in the polar areas.

A sharp spike in global temps, air or sea, for 10-50 years, will bring in the next Ice Age.
 
The Science Daily article mentioned the recent discovery of a young impact crater beneath the Greenland ice sheet. If the Younger Dryas cold snap was caused by a cometary or asteroid impact, this newly discovered crater may be its signature. It remains to be dated. All that is known at present is that it is between 3,000,000 and 12,000 years old, so it does date to the Pleistocene. It will be more tightly dated, eventually, so, at present all that is known is that it represents a fairly young crater. For comparison, Meteor Crater, Az. was formed by the impact of a nickel-iron meteorite circa 50,000 years ago.

http://www.astronomy.com/news/2018/...greenland-could-explain-ice-age-climate-swing

 
I don't think many dispute that we are living in an interglacial warm period. We call it the Holocene, and it's the most recent warm spell of the Pleistocene. So it's not inaccurate to say we are still living in the Ice Age, just the most recent interglacial warm spell. There have been several major ice ages over the 4.5 billion years of the Earth's history. But standing apart from all of them are periods sometimes referred to as Snowball Earth.

https://amp.livescience.com/64692-snowball-earth.html

https://www.knowablemagazine.org/article/physical-world/2019/story-snowball-earth
 
Red said:
Just providing @babe with different food for thought, in this case the mechanisms behind glacial/interglacial cycles over the past 3 million years.

http://advances.sciencemag.org/content/5/4/eaav7337
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Thanks for the link.

It's generally accepted that Ice Ages did not occur until ambient atmospheric CO2 declined to the levels we believe "normal" for the past six million years.

We have more oil/coal in the higher latitudes than anyone is telling us about, because..... well.... it was rainforest territory before the ice.

As the Earth coalesced from material ejected from the sun some 10-15 Billion years ago, the oxygen was depleted forming the oxides of not only CO2 but virtually every other element, near the surface as it solidified, and we had a very thick atmosphere of sulfur dioxide and carbon dioxide, water vapor(steam), and a little nitrogen oxides but nitrogen "lost out" in the competition and remained the fairly inert N2 gas. A lot of water in the upper levels of forming earth.... eventually forming actual seas.

It was not until the formation of the deep Precambrian layers of almost pure calcium carbonate/layers of magnesium carbonate in some places gave relief from the incredible atmospheric pressures and allowed some sunlight to reach the surface. There was probably no free O2 until the beginning of photosynthesis....

But yes..... lots of geological ages continued the deposition of carbonate rock, with lots of organic material, above the Precambrian.

I believe that the lack of oxygen and excess of hydrogen meant a lot of hydrocarbon of abiotic origin, sealed under the Precambrian rock generally, and more "oil" that John D. Rockefeller ever feared could possibly exist. The fatal flaw in the Cartel/Monopoly plan....

But yes.... in most "authoritative" visons of earth history.... the past was actually warmer than now because of our atmospheric CO2.

We'll live if don't stop the combustion..... but we'll live better if we go to nuclear, and LENR. What we should not do is seal the living standard to feudal politics.
 
I had not heard of "snowball Earth" as discussed in the above links in the proto-Precambrian epoch. As I compute the atmosphere in that era from gross chemical compositions of everything we have now..... yah.... we were a white ball of gas with hardly any sunlight on the surface. Probably we had plenty of heat coming up from the core though. I'd wonder if the Sun were in some quiet phase as well....whaddya know.... what does anyone know.... about that time, before our deepest chemically deposited rock layers were formed. We have to drill down to find stuff below that in most places. and speculate a lot.

I'd imagine that Pangea, the one Continent near the equator as some think.... trying to fit continental pieces together and do a reconstruction of plate tectonics as we know things now, is highly speculative. I've seen some geologists claim there were few, if any "mountains". A lot of humidity.... maybe most of the water in the gas state.... would mean shallower seas as well. But the tell-tale fact is that carbonate rock of Precambrian origin is common over every geological district....so I think "Pangea" was just a place where the water was not so deep.

but what do I know....

Until the earth cooled enough to allow water to condense.... or freeze....as in the snowball idea....the chemistry of contact of soluble chlorides and carbon dioxide would not occur...… well not in organized thousands of feet thick deposits.

anyway, I was disposed to imagine Precambrian time as much warmer..... even with the no sunlight reaching the surface idea.....

and water in the liquid form is essential in most concepts of erosion.... resulting in exposure of soluble chlorides and reaction with dissolved CO2....

I'll have to do a lot of thinking.....
 
So I posted a classic El Nino jet stream sketch in here I think last Feb or so.....

Here is the current sketch....

https://www.wunderground.com/maps/wind/jet-stream

Typical of El Nino patterns is the reversal of the Pacific coastal dominant air stream with storms affected by the persistant Low Pressure offshore Southern California instead of Seattle. Seattle is having a drier year, most of West is soaked. It snowed this morning in Cedar City.

Around 10000 years ago we had a climate shift in the Great Basin area, from wet to dry. Used to be lakes in most of the Basin valleys.... Lake Bonneville.... Lake Lahontan. The lakes seem to correlate in recent epochs with the ice ages. I reason that since snowfall in the great ice sheet zones must be water evaporated from warmer oceans somewhere, that Ice Ages are actually caused by warm oceans.... well.... maybe with some other factors, for sure.

The El Nino pattern is known to be associated with above normal SSTs (Sea Surface Temperatures) in the Pacific zone west of Mexico and southern California. This year that is the case, but there is a large area of warmer than expected surface between Japan and Alaska as well..... and globally warmer ocean temps as some think.

The Humboldt River in Norther Nevada is running over its banks, and Rye Patch.... the little dam that irrigates Lovelock.... might be seriously challenged this summer. The Lahontan sinks ….. used to be salt flats.... might become a lake again ,at least for a while.

The Great Salt Lake has been really low for several years.... a few more wet years and Utah will have to turn on the West Desert pumps again to keep eastshore farms from flooding again.

flooding is news across the northern hemishere this year.
 
So, Babe, just scanned what you posted. Is your point that the earth has been as warm at other times in geological history, so there's nothing to worry about? That's kind of the jist I get, maybe I'm wrong. But there weren't people then. That doesn't mean humans will become extinct, just that life as we know it won't be the same, maybe never. Surely, it will be a dark period in human history and who knows how many or few will survive. Maybe new worlds will be sent out into the universe to persist until finding a new suitable planet. That could take thousands of years, more ... So, what is your point?
 
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