Go GET Teague

[BTP]

Not sure the contention window even opens if Hayward leaves and if Exum doesn't develop. Who is better to advance the goals of the Jazz in the next 1 1/2 seasons, Burke or Teague? And I would define those goals as advancing as far as possible in the playoffs and mentoring Dante to become an impact starting PG. There are steps that have to occur BEFORE the Jazz can even think of contending.

Do you agree that Gordon is a legit primary facilitator?

 

[Stifle Tower]

Do you agree that Gordon is a legit primary facilitator?

I agree PG is our biggest weakness. Teague would address that on a contract Utah can easily afford for the next 1 1/2 years.

 

[fishonjazz]

Because I think it's pretty clear that the "Cake" is nearly ready now. With Gobert, Favors, Hayward and Hood now all playing at playoff worthy level, one could argue somebody like Teague could push us over the top and be in that #4 - #6 seeds and start to make some noise in the playoffs this year. Exum on the other hand is an unknown quantity at this point PLUS the question mark over the injury.


Some success this year could go a long way in convincing Hayward and Teague from looking to go elsewhere.

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[BTP]

I agree PG is our biggest weakness. Teague would address that on a contract Utah can easily afford for the next 1 1/2 years.

I don't see the game in terms of positions. I look at who can guard who and strengths/weaknesses. I don't care if my Center is my primary ballhandler. I just know you need someone to initiate my offense and he should be good enough to consistently get the defense moving.
He should be both capable of finding the open player after he caused the defense to rotate and also have moves that help him evade/overpower help defenders. I know that most of the time the screener deserves half the credit when it comes to giving the attacker the head start, but for simplicity reasons I chose to focus on the ballhandler.

I think GOrdon is a capable initiator. He's got a well rounded balance and he's aware of where his teammates are. The Jazz system features a lot of potential "secondary assists". And the ball movement Gordon initiates often results in someone else getting the boxscore credit for what he started. Gordon is good at positioning himself after he gives the ball up and that's big in the way they swing the ball around the perimeter to exploit a gap.
Hood and Burks are good secondary attacker, who are very good at creating good shots for themselves, if they can attack a defender who's closing out on them.
Burke is kind of a wildcard and we don't know how good Exum is gonna be. But I'm comfortable with the thought of contending for homecourt next season, while giving Exum the opportunity to find himself 10-15 mins a game with backup units and spot up another 10-15 min per game around Hayward. We'll probably still make strides forward since a lot of guys are still developing quickly.
What better argument than showing Hayward max money on HIS team, while HIS team improves and is a potential contender.

 

[fishonjazz]

Rather different team situation in regards to the possibility of winning, I agree. But no difference in regard to the argument that was commonly floated in the Corbin era -- that putting young, very talented players behind veterans in the lineup messes with their development trajectory. If we were beside ourselves in Burks's 3rd year, arguing that playing Marvin Williams ahead of Alec Burks (though Burks played 28 mpg), was preventing Burks from breaking out into a star, why wouldn't we have the same concern for Exum's 3rd year (even if he missed the second because of injury)? If you believe that Exum has star potential (and I know that many don't), wouldn't you want to keep the lane open for Exum's development?

And I might add that in comparing Teague's and Marvin Williams's career trajectory to the point at which Utah obtained him, I don't see a big difference. Each had one fairly strong year, a very decent year, and a bunch of quite average years (going more on win shares than PER).

Marvin was a year and a half younger when Utah obtained him than Teague is now. Marvin had his worst two years as a pro with the Jazz, aside from his first two out of college. I'm not saying it's the likeliest scenario, but are we willing to take the chance that Teague is essentially the Marvin Williams of PGs if we trade for him?

I understand the best-case scenario for Teague. And maybe it's worth the risk. But I think the likeliest scenario is that Teague is relatively average or maybe just barely above that. That's an improvement this year, for sure. But is it worth Burks and a first rounder (or whatever the likeliest trade seems to be), along with the possibility of playing-time issues between him and Exum next year?

I was more upset at the raja bell, richard Jefferson, and josh Howard signings.
Those were old, washed up hired guns. Way different than getting teague.

People didn't complain much about the Randy foye hiring and him playing ahead of Burks cause foye was actually good and still pretty young (like teague)


Plus allot of us were sick of the same team and same result every year and wanted change. We are not sick of this team right now

 

[fishonjazz]

I don't actually disagree with you. I wasn't on the playing-Marvin-equals-screwing-Alec bandwagon. Just pointing out the possibility that history could repeat itself in terms of fan reaction if Teague turns out to be quite average. (But I don't think that the Hawks will give us Teague for Burke and the GS pick. Maybe they would in the summer, but I don't see any reason why they would now.)

Playing Marvin never screwed burks. It screwed kanter if anyone.

Playing dick Jefferson screwed burks

 

[fishonjazz]

Not sure the contention window even opens if Hayward leaves and if Exum doesn't develop. Who is better to advance the goals of the Jazz in the next 1 1/2 seasons, Burke or Teague? And I would define those goals as advancing as far as possible in the playoffs and mentoring Dante to become an impact starting PG. There are steps that have to occur BEFORE the Jazz can even think of contending.

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Stifle killing it

 

[Willie G.]

Playing Marvin never screwed burks. It screwed kanter if anyone.

Playing dick Jefferson screwed burks

For me, history has clearly shown that Kanter never got "screwed" in Utah. And stats showed it at the time, too. He barely earned the minutes he played. You can't be that kind of liability on defense and such a black hole on offense and still command minutes. I think Utah really stuck by him, and earnestly tried to help him develop a more well-rounded game.

 

[fishonjazz]

For me, history has clearly shown that Kanter never got "screwed" in Utah. And stats showed it at the time, too. He barely earned the minutes he played. You can't be that kind of liability on defense and such a black hole on offense and still command minutes. I think Utah really stuck by him, and earnestly tried to help him develop a more well-rounded game.

Exactly.
I was simply saying that Marvin never screwed burks

 

[Willie G.]

Exactly.
I was simply saying that Marvin never screwed burks

ok. cool.

Those were some seriously polarizing days for jazz fans, I think. I like how they're becoming a distant memory.

I think I understand what Kevin O'Connor was trying to do with the vets; I think he was trying to sort of re-brand the notion of coming to Utah as a free agent, which would have been a nice swan song to a good career; a good legacy move. It didn't really work out, obviously.... but I think somebody else (Lindsey?) is going to have to try to turn those same tides again....... at some point.

Just some random thoughts

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I was more upset at the raja bell, richard Jefferson, and josh Howard signings.
Those were old, washed up hired guns. Way different than getting teague.

People didn't complain much about the Randy foye hiring and him playing ahead of Burks cause foye was actually good and still pretty young (like teague)


Plus allot of us were sick of the same team and same result every year and wanted change. We are not sick of this team right now

We were in a different life cycle at that time too... everyone could see we needed to unload guys like that and tank but instead we clung to hanging around the middle and slowing down the young guys. We are coming up now so I don't mind us asking the young guys to take a little bit of a back seat.

To me if have a good opportunity to upgrade at the point guard for a good value you do it. We are playing Booker ahead of Lyles right now and then say we don't want anyone here to block Dante's development even though they might help us now? Seems inconsistent to me.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

So looking around the league... if the Hawks are hell bent on trading Teague (which I don't think they are) we are really the only place it makes much sense. NY doesn't have much to offer and Milwaukee is now basically toast. Dallas might be interested, but again what are they offering? We are in a good position to say here is the deal take it or leave it and know they won't get a much better offer.

If I am Atlanta I likely leave it, but their GM is the coach and who knows how enamored he is with Teague. The more I look at the situation the less I want to offer.