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Didn't know whether to laugh or cry at this one.
Gobert to Minnesota
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LoPo
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My gut feeling tells me this trade is going to somehow get involved with the Suns and Nets KD deal. Something like:
Wolves get Rudy
Suns get KD
Nets get Cam Johnson, Beasley, a load of picks (one 1st from us maybe 2), and maybe even Conley or Bojan
Jazz get Ayton, Beverley, Vanderbilt, Kessler, and most of the pick stuff from Minnesota already reported.
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Wolves get Rudy
Suns get KD
Nets get Cam Johnson, Beasley, a load of picks (one 1st from us maybe 2), and maybe even Conley or Bojan
Jazz get Ayton, Beverley, Vanderbilt, Kessler, and most of the pick stuff from Minnesota already reported.
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Douchebag K
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Jazz never going to win a title. All we've done is just commit to mediocrity. Rudy at least made us relevant
I mean you were saying the exact same thing about that contract a week or two ago and that contract just got moved for 5 1st round picks, most of them unprotected, 1 pick swap and 40M worth of expirings... It's pretty obvious that the league sees much higher value in Gobert and his contract than you. And that's OK.
BTW in 2024 the new TV deal comes into place, and projections are salary cap might bump up to over 170M. This means Rudy's contract in those final 2 years will be around 26% of the cap.
LoPo
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When you can't carry us to the round of 8, we're still just mediocre. That's the boat we were in built around Rudy Gobert.
We might never win a title, but we surely were going nowhere how we were.
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Douchebag K
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unless you've just given Minnesota of all places the tool to contend for 5-6 years and the draft picks are a whole bunch of useless
LoPo
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You are absolutely right that Rudy got a lot more back than many of us were projecting.
But....
Minnesota is taking a gamble that everybody else is questioning. They are taking a massive gamble that Rudy covers up all their defensive holes created simply because KAT doesn't want to play the role of defensive big man. They are gonna try to win going big. We shall see.
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You said we will be better off without him. We will see.
Of course there is so much wiggle room in the definition of better off.
LoPo
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My stance has been clear all along -
Rudy is great, but the team is stuck in mediocrity.
Rudy has his best value right now so capitalize on that value.
Did I say we would be better off - no
Did I say we could be just as good for the playoffs without him - yes
Do I think we are better off now after seeing this glorious trade - absolutely
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LoPo said:
I don't want to celebrate his leaving, but I know this trade is so much better for this franchise than keeping Rudy Gobert.
So what does better for the franchise mean? Not we will be better off without him?
LoPo
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Maybe we are talking about two different things.
I think our team likely takes a step backwards in the regular season without Rudy provided that we build around Don without trading many picks. So not "better off" with regards to next season.
Overall, I always thought a Rudy trade was necessary to get us to where we ultimately want to go - past the first round and further. I do feel this Rudy trade puts us "better off" in that regard.
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TheStormofWar
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I believe this is the correct way to look at it.
This allows the team to deal with multiple issues at once. I think, for the first time in a few years, I am genuinely hopeful. I really didn't think the team could "rebuild on the fly", but I recognize the possibility that I'm about to eat some crow.
We are going to take a step back (or suck for a while). I'm okay with that as the future benefits are difficult to ignore. Like was posted earlier, when you are offered the Godfather haul for your aging super-maxed superstar that's maxed his potential, you have to take that deal. We own the draft of a team who had not show any ability to "put it together" for rest of the decade (and we've seen where team dynamics are fluid in the league), unloaded all that salary, and still have some of our pieces to play or deal as we see fit.
I will absolutely miss Rudy. We need to build him a f*cking statute that the Colossus of Rhodes approve of. But this was Utah's best shot to retool/rebuild and it needed to be done.
gomretat
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I absolutely could be wrong. It has happened plenty of times before. Bleacher report agrees with me but as I have said, the only way this works is if we are blowing it up or if we turn around and get lots back in putting these picks with other immediate trades.
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RandyForRubio
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You act like Curry is bad on defense. He’s actually pretty darn solid. If Don wants to win, he needs to stop being a turnstile. I understand if you’re the lead offensive option you can’t go all out on defense all the time, but his effort was pathetic out there. You aren’t winning a title with defense like that.
The Thriller
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This is a dishonest post. Rudy didn’t get “busted” by those guys. Rudy got “busted” trying to cover for everyone else. He either came off Batum or Kleber leaving his guy wide open because no one could/would rotate over or he’d stay home and the basket would become a layup drill. Rudy’s biggest problem defensively was trying to help play team defense. He should’ve just stayed at home with his man in the corner and watched the other 4 guys give up highlight layup and dunk after highlight layup and dunk.
What is your point? Living in the past is stupid. This team was past its prime and needed to be blown up.
Your takes are so bad. We were already locked into mediocrity with all the teams around us improving. This trade allows us to reset and go in any direction we want.
The Thriller
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Iverson isn’t a bad comparison either, I’ve seen worse. Another undersized guard who put up amazing scoring stats but wasn’t nearly good enough to win it all. Do we think Spida is better than Iverson? If not, then building around him would be a mistake.
Kat wasn't lacking in effort though and he played his best defense when he was at the level and in rotation. Minny was grinding on defense and whenever they needed to drop KAT to protect the rim they suffered. KAT will probably be better as a secondary rim protector and may be freer to blitz and trap now.