Gobert--when can we extend him?

[framer]

Uh...he'd still be an RFA.

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Yeah, but wouldn't he be up for an extension after 2 years? We got Rudy on Peanuts for 4.

 

[freakazoid]

Why, isn't the max the Jazz can offer more than what other teams can offer? I get the Jazz may want to extend him and get the extra fifth year, but letting the market set his value doesn't make them pay any more if he's going to get the Max regardless. This isn't Hayward who would have extended for 12 per then ended up getting max.

Edit: For the record, I have only been able to see a few games, so I haven't been able to see the impact that he has had. I'm just saying that hypothetically if he is going to get the max either way there is no harm for the Jazz to wait, financially, but they may want to do it to show good faith in him.

Because there's nothing to be gained by letting him go to FA, but it could cause some hard feelings like it did with Paul Millsap. There's nothing to be gained because there is zero doubt as to what kind of offer he will get. Every team in this league would sell their first born to have a shot at stealing Rudy. Greg Monroe is another example of how things can go wrong. That would be a worst case scenario. Rudy isn't a player you take chances with.
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Keep in mind we're talking about a Hayward level max, not a true max. There is a difference.

 

[Coach Ellis]

Because there's nothing to be gained by letting him go to FA, but it could cause some hard feelings like it did with Paul Millsap. There's nothing to be gained because there is zero doubt as to what kind of offer he will get. Every team in this league would sell their first born to have a shot at stealing Rudy. Greg Monroe is another example of how things can go wrong. That would be a worst case scenario. Rudy isn't a player you take chances with.
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Keep in mind we're talking about a Hayward level max, not a true max. There is a difference.

Jazz should extend him at the 5 year max right before the RFA deadline just like the Warriors did with Klay Thompson. The system is in place for exactly these types of situations. The Jazz have him for the next 2 and a half years at very reasonable rates, but they won't let him get to free agency and have another team set the terms. They'll keep him at his current contract as long as they can to see if he continues to play at this level, but they will extend him before he ever comes close to RFA.

 

[Stifle Tower]

Jazz should extend him at the 5 year max right before the RFA deadline just like the Warriors did with Klay Thompson. The system is in place for exactly these types of situations. The Jazz have him for the next 2 and a half years at very reasonable rates, but they won't let him get to free agency and have another team set the terms. They'll keep him at his current contract as long as they can to see if he continues to play at this level, but they will extend him before he ever comes close to RFA.

Well, another team "setting the terms" actually brings him in cheaper (4 years and only 4.5% increases). But who knows, perhaps he'll give the team a bit of a discount. Probably not as below market as Favors, but maybe a few million/per. Jazz will negotiate up to the max, with the 5th year being the carrot. Gobert isn't quite there yet, but if he continues to improve he'll be one of the "franchise" players we've been hoping to land.

 

[Coach Ellis]

Well, another team "setting the terms" actually brings him in cheaper (4 years and only 4.5% increases). But who knows, perhaps he'll give the team a bit of a discount. Probably not as below market as Favors, but maybe a few million/per. Jazz will negotiate up to the max, with the 5th year being the carrot. Gobert isn't quite there yet, but if he continues to improve he'll be one of the "franchise" players we've been hoping to land.

Yes, but another team setting the terms could totally screw the Jazz over by putting a player option 4th year and a trade kicker in the contract like Charlotte did with Hayward. I think that the Jazz could end up offering him the 4 year Max and have him take it, because then the Jazz would still retain his Bird rights for his next contract, which no other team would be able to do.

 

[Xsy]

Give him the 5 year max.

I don't even care, just give it to him.

He's a game changer. He's already elite, and by elite, I mean elite at defense, and he's still developing, and showing improvement offensively game after game.

Just get it done.

 

[Revolution 9]

There were quite a few people down on Rudy last year. Saying he was too raw to play, too much of a liability. Well, some of us saw the flashes, and knew there was something there. Of course he is and was raw. The point is he has the it factor, he could make plays, and impact the game. There was something there, and we wanted to see more of it. Especially in a tank down year.

 

[Stifle Tower]

I've never proclaimed myself as a CBA expert, and I don't intend to anytime in the near future. Nice having GVC around for dis stuff, & Core4 to a lesser extent

Thanks. but a MUCH lesser extent. GVC is definitely the expert. Used to also have one other but I think he's stopped posting (IIRC, theNBAnerd or something like that?).

 

[Stifle Tower]

Yes, but another team setting the terms could totally screw the Jazz over by putting a player option 4th year and a trade kicker in the contract like Charlotte did with Hayward. I think that the Jazz could end up offering him the 4 year Max and have him take it, because then the Jazz would still retain his Bird rights for his next contract, which no other team would be able to do.

Excellent point. Don't want him opting out after 3 years.

 

[veji1]

Well, another team "setting the terms" actually brings him in cheaper (4 years and only 4.5% increases). But who knows, perhaps he'll give the team a bit of a discount. Probably not as below market as Favors, but maybe a few million/per. Jazz will negotiate up to the max, with the 5th year being the carrot. Gobert isn't quite there yet, but if he continues to improve he'll be one of the "franchise" players we've been hoping to land.

Dude, Gobert and his agent will say that they gave the team a discount with his rookie deal.

If Gobert is as good as can reasonably be expected when his rookie contract ends, ie something like 12/12/3 on good % in 33/35ish minutes, and hasn't had any significant or scary injury (more foot problems, back issues), there is no point even trying to get a discount. You offer the 5 year full max straight away and you tell him "we want you to be the cornerstone of the franchise". that's all.

 

[freakazoid]

Thanks. but a MUCH lesser extent. GVC is definitely the expert. Used to also have one other but I think he's stopped posting (IIRC, theNBAnerd or something like that?).

This board has had many posters over the years that have been very knowledgeable about CBA stuff. Kenwood and BillyShelby come to mind. Ellis269, framer and Jazz4ever seem to know their stuff. I'm sure I'm forgetting a bunch of others as well, including guys who don't post often enough for me to remember their names.

 

[zbone]

I don't want to spoil the circle jerk but Biedrins had posted same advanced stats for two years before getting his albatros contract as Gobert posting this season.