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Think of the waste of time going to church and celebrating made up stories from assholes who want power over you, your freedoms and your money.

Religion is a social phenomena and humans are a social animal. We are more healthy when we have social bonds like those that religion fosters, and the benefits are astonishingly broad.

 
Religion is a social phenomena and humans are a social animal. We are more healthy when we have social bonds like those that religion fosters, and the benefits are astonishingly broad.


Yup, a lot of people think it's awesome. What are they supposed to say?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_religion
 
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Three Christian pastors respond to Trump’s claims that Christianity is under attack in the United States.


View: https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2024/04/11/trump-christian-nationalism-pastors-wisconsin-contd-af-orig.cnn

Wow. Glad to see some Christian leaders in this country have their heads on their necks and not up their asses. And kudos to that first woman who accepted the explanation about the date for trans awareness day being on the same day every year and just happened to fall on Easter this year. Unfortunately she is in the minority among those who are willing or able to accept that kind of response.
 

#OsamaBinWhitmer(parroting grown men using grown men terms like MoscowMarge(adults lolol real adults))​

Another Democrat blatant attack on Christianity and America. Imagine red hats doing what y'all are doing. I mean it's not rocket science Democrats hate Christianity.​

Condemning 'death to America' chants should be easy. Not for liberal Michigan Gov. Whitmer.​


That’s why it’s notable that Whitmer has stayed silent about the "death to America" chants at the Dearborn protest. More than a week after the event, she has said nothing about it.

She did take time to mark the end of Ramadan with this tweet to Michigan Muslims on Tuesday: “Eid Mubarak, Michigan. I hope you and your families had a blessed Ramadan. May you all have a blessed Eid and come together to celebrate all that makes our communities strong and our state even stronger.”

Why has Whitmer been silent about highly publicized comments made in her state − comments so clearly beyond the pale that even the White House has condemned them? Whitmer's office did not respond to a request for comment on her stance.

In February, Whitmer had no problem weighing in soon after The Wall Street Journal ran an opinion column with a headline that alleged Dearborn is “America’s Jihad Capital.”

She, along with President Joe Biden, were quick to condemn the opinion piece as Islamophobic and hateful.

 
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Wow. Glad to see some Christian leaders in this country have their heads on their necks and not up their asses. And kudos to that first woman who accepted the explanation about the date for trans awareness day being on the same day every year and just happened to fall on Easter this year. Unfortunately she is in the minority among those who are willing or able to accept that kind of response.
I sense a growing schism within American Christianity. It’s small but it’s growing, of spirit of the law folks vs letter of the law “orthodox” folks. I sense it the most when I compare Elder Uchtdorf speaking vs President Oaks. The former often speaks of the church screwing up and of love for one’s fellow man while the latter defends the church, reminds members that the church isn’t a democracy, and often will declare sexual minorities as sinners. Obviously, I have my personal beliefs and I hope they’re in accordance with god’s. But regardless of whether they are, I think traditional “orthodox” beliefs are leading to more hostility towards American democracy and society and emptying pews.

If Christian sects hope to remain relevant in this 21st century, I think they’re going to need to adjust. The typical, “obedience, don’t question authority, leaders are infallible or else god would’ve removed them, war on LGBTs, and women in the kitchen” mantra that might’ve worked in previous centuries, just isn’t flying in this age of empowerment for minorities and the internet. What could’ve easily been swept under the rug by the catholic church or Mormon church or (enter whatever church you want) doesn’t work as effectively when everyone has a smartphone and within minutes the world can know a story. Churches can no longer get away with gaslighting people (which in my experience, is very common). It wasn’t until I was a missionary before I learned the the church’s first president was a polygamist. And then it wasn’t until later that I learned that some of the women he married were underage, married to someone else, and engaged in sexual relationships with him. The list goes on and on, blacks in the priesthood, women and the priesthood, pro nazism feelings of the presidency in the 1930s and 1940s, LGBT community, etc. imho, transparency is best. I think a lot of people can deal with church leadership screwing up. It’s the gaslighting and then finally admitting the ****up once all other avenues have been exhausted.

Obviously, I don’t know what god’s true thoughts are on nationalism, feminism, LGBTs, priesthood, etc but I do hope for and believe that god is a helluva lot smarter than we are and far more tolerant. I’ll give you a story. My friend is a counselor in Utah and his family has basically adopted a young woman who grew up in a hellish environment. She was sexually abused from an early age by members of her biological family. She’s doing better now and is in counseling. She still makes poor choices, choices that orthodoxy requires she be punished for (she’s lds). She slipped up and slept with a guy on their first encounter while living in Provo. My belief is that god will take her hellish background, her tainted beliefs on what love is, and consider how she struggles to see herself as a human being (not merely a pleasure object) into account. She’s trying to be better! Likewise, I hope that a lot of people with problems and challenges will have the context of their lives taken into consideration rather than a spreadsheet total of bad marks that will condemn them.

This larger thinking I hope is the correct one and is one that Christian leaders adopt more in this century. And I hope that churches focus less on being right all the time and squashing the critiquing of leaders’ infallibility and do more on just trying to service ALL members of their community. God is smart enough to figure out the awards and punishments of people. Our job is to welcome them into our communities and show them a great time.
 
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Guess I’ll have to check this out…


More blatant and ardent hatred towards Christians allowed here.... How utterly grotesque... Red and Thriller dont even hide their bigotry and fascism anymore it's become so normal.

Could you imagine if someone did the Muslim Nationalist are a danger like these hateful bigots did to Christians? This isn't just bigotry this is pure hatred.
 
Hey hateful bigots... Modern day Nazis.........Can you show me pictures of this? I mean, I see a picture or two but where are seas of crosses you lying bigots? Christian flags? Jesus saves signs? Like your hate filled Nazi Propaganda video pushes? Let's see it. Who was armed outside of like 10-15 people who didn't even use or brandish said guns? @The Thriller

"On January 6, 2021, Americans witnessed an attack on the U.S. Capitol without precedent in our history. Armed militiamen and QAnon followers made headlines, but amongst them were a sea of crosses and Christian flags, rosaries and “Jesus Saves” signs."
 
I’m not under any illusion/delusion that Christian nationalism has anything to do with a Christian faith that follows the golden rule: do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Ask a Christian nationalist if the golden rule applies to those who oppose Donald Trump. They do not, and it’s a political movement, not a religious faith. It’s also a handy ideological substrate to emerging fascist rumblings in America. It can be said that it is actually the antithesis to Christianity’s golden rule. It actually seems to hate the Christian faith itself, sort of a late stage husk of that faith, devoid of empathy, compassion, treating others as “not real Americans”, etc. Using faith falsely to spread hate and bigotry toward others.







The Atlantic’s Jeffrey Goldberg wrote that “the conflation of Trump and Jesus was a common theme at the rally” among people he interviewed. “It’s all in the Bible. Everything is predicted. Donald Trump is in the Bible. Get yourself ready,” one told him. “Give it up if you believe in Jesus!” said another, then “Give it up if you believe in Donald Trump!” — which elicited loud cheers from nearby rioters.
 
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I’m not under any illusion/delusion that Christian nationalism has anything to do with a Christian faith that follows the golden rule: do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Ask a Christian nationalist if the golden rule applies to those who oppose Donald Trump. They do not, and it’s a political movement, not a religious faith. It’s also a handy ideological substrate to emerging fascist rumblings in America. It can be said that it is actually the antithesis to Christianity’s golden rule. It actually seems to hate the Christian faith itself, sort of a late stage husk of that faith, devoid of empathy, compassion, treating others as “not real Americans”, etc. Using faith falsely to spread hate and bigotry toward others.



Pure hate and bigotry. I can't believe we allow this around here.

Of course in your hate, PURE HATE, you can't point out where there were seas of Christians doing this like your propaganda video claims.

"On January 6, 2021, Americans witnessed an attack on the U.S. Capitol without precedent in our history. Armed militiamen and QAnon followers made headlines, but amongst them were a sea of crosses and Christian flags, rosaries and “Jesus Saves” signs."

Where is this Red? This type of lies are extremely hateful and dangerous. Extremely... Not even kind of...
 
I’m not under any illusion/delusion that Christian nationalism has anything to do with a Christian faith that follows the golden rule: do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Ask a Christian nationalist if the golden rule applies to those who oppose Donald Trump. They do not, and it’s a political movement, not a religious faith. It’s also a handy ideological substrate to emerging fascist rumblings in America. It can be said that it is actually the antithesis to Christianity’s golden rule. It actually seems to hate the Christian faith itself, sort of a late stage husk of that faith, devoid of empathy, compassion, treating others as “not real Americans”, etc. Using faith falsely to spread hate and bigotry toward others.







The Atlantic’s Jeffrey Goldberg wrote that “the conflation of Trump and Jesus was a common theme at the rally” among people he interviewed. “It’s all in the Bible. Everything is predicted. Donald Trump is in the Bible. Get yourself ready,” one told him. “Give it up if you believe in Jesus!” said another, then “Give it up if you believe in Donald Trump!” — which elicited loud cheers from nearby rioters.

Bigot- Your own artilce admits you hateful bigots just made the term up. This is nothing more than a catchy word so you and thriller can hate... Sheer hate in your blood thirst. I can define bigot unlike your hate filled propaganda. "a person who is obstinately or unreasonably attached to a belief, opinion, or faction, especially one who is prejudiced against or antagonistic toward a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group:" ... This is nothing but a hit piece for people like you to bully Christians who don't conform to your historically fascist views... Nothing more Red and Thriller. I will get banned on this hill.

You're own article that we both know you didn't even read.
"There is no canonical manifesto of Christian nationalism, and no single definition of it."
 
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