Got into a pretty heated debate with my wife last night about race.

[latin jazz]

That was my point. It's nuanced. A white kid born into poverty into a 95% black community is going to have it rough. Same with a black kid. She was just trying to speak in absolutes, it was so obnoxious.

I appreciate your sincerity and some of the points you are trying to make. Gameface had a great post. Sure, being white doesn't shield you from poverty. However, if all variables are equal, just being white give you an advantage in life. It gives you access to more opportunities. And obviously, on how you are being treated by others. Maybe that's the point your wife was trying to make.

Regarding your grandpa, he probably wouldn't been able to purchase the land if he were black. Someone already mentioned the Homestead Act. There were many racist laws in US in the last century. For instance, check redlining and the Housing Act which was repelled in the late 60s. The black community was excluded from the big boom in housing the impact can still be seen today.

On the other hand, out of curiosity, what do you mean by "poor Asians, Mexicans Jews,...". You place Mexicans in the same category as race or religious group. Please clarify.

 

[JimLes]

If you cannot turn a heated argument with your wife into some passionate sex, are you even married?

 

[Beer]

I had a little hope when Obama was elected that maybe we'd get past the old attitudes and truly be a country with equal rights and opportunities, but then I forgot that Obama was ideologically a Marxist, and politically an agitator. He did everything he could to re-ignite race issues, every time anything happened that could be used to that effect.

I don't blame black folk for anything. I don't even think most of them are happy to be abused by politicians.

I agree Obama was horrendous in healing race relations. I put him in the same camp as Bush the younger though, pure at heart but just a failure.

 

[Beer]

I appreciate your sincerity and some of the points you are trying to make. Gameface had a great post. Sure, being white doesn't shield you from poverty. However, if all variables are equal, just being white give you an advantage in life. It gives you access to more opportunities. And obviously, on how you are being treated by others. Maybe that's the point your wife was trying to make.

Regarding your grandpa, he probably wouldn't been able to purchase the land if he were black. Someone already mentioned the Homestead Act. There were many racist laws in US in the last century. For instance, check redlining and the Housing Act which was repelled in the late 60s. The black community was excluded from the big boom in housing the impact can still be seen today.

On the other hand, out of curiosity, what do you mean by "poor Asians, Mexicans Jews,...". You place Mexicans in the same category as race or religious group. Please clarify.

I agree, I just cannot stand the words "always" and "every" you lose me 100% of the time in a debate when you bring those words into the equation. It's not even worth wasting another word on.

 

[Ron Mexico]

I agree, I just cannot stand the words "always" and "every" you lose me 100% of the time in a debate when you bring those words into the equation. It's not even worth wasting another word on.

So every time they lose you in a debate when they say every? That's always an issue for you?

 

[Beer]

So every time they lose you in a debate when they say every? That's always an issue for you?

Yes, when someone speaks in absolutes, there is basically no point in proceeding because you are clearly dealing with someone overly emotional or irrational.

 

[RandyForRubio]

Yes, when someone speaks in absolutes, there is basically no point in proceeding because you are clearly dealing with someone overly emotional or irrational.

No offense, but what did you expect when dealing with your wife?

 

[Gameface]

No offense, but what did you expect when dealing with your wife?

I guess I don't understand this statement. I'm not going to make assumptions about what you mean.

 

[Dr. Jones]

Well this was mildly entertaining. Well done, beer.

 

[silesian]

That was my point. It's nuanced. A white kid born into poverty into a 95% black community is going to have it rough. Same with a black kid. She was just trying to speak in absolutes, it was so obnoxious.

Regrettably, we are not in a world that embraces nuance.

For example, I see a total ******* get exposed on a 20 second viral video. I’ve heard people like this my whole life. Should they feel consequences? Sure. Should they be fired and their families miss the rent and homeless?

it feels pretty good standing on the outside with a pitchfork in the cancel society.

but is it right to judge an entire person’s life based on what might be their worst 20 seconds?

punishment should fit the crime.

 

[One Brow]

Nobody today is as racist, or as race-mongering as a group, as the Dems who don't care what facts are, or what people are, because of a total obsession with their own designs on power and who will lie any way deemed helpful to exploit whatever issues there are that can produce results.

The mainstream Democratic party does engage in it's own form of racism, but it's not as explicit, confrontational, or imposing as the racism of the mainstream Republican party.

<i>Some debate who the Pharaohs were, whether black or white. It doesn't matter. Probably they were white, according to some genetic correlations with other sections of the fertile crescent. But it didn't matter to them what people they could use for slaves, black or white. They would therefore make a good comparison to todays power elites.</i>

I don'[t know much about slavery in Egypt, but I'd be willing to bet that is was organized much more around conquest and warfare than around skin color.

 

[One Brow]

I agree Obama was horrendous in healing race relations. I put him in the same camp as Bush the younger though, pure at heart but just a failure.

What do you think he could have done better, besides ignoring what he saw as problems?