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I'm confused about what One Love i saying. He's treating taking away the tariffs as a threat. That's what most want....

One or the other guys! You can't have those amazing taxes and not build a wall. one or the other! wtf?
 
ONE LOVE said:
You're trying to include Trump in the equation. I'm trying to be pragmatic. Don't make it about Trump. Think about it objectively.
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I gave you my answer. Take trump out of it. My answer is the same. The idea that we're "making money" off of tariffs is flawed from the get go. It is a tax. Those things now cost the businesses that need them more, cost the consumers who use them more and so the idea that now there is this "extra" pile of money is false. I'm not in favor of tariffs in general. I'm sure you could show me specific situations where I'd grudgingly say maybe tariffs are needed, but in general I don't support tariffs. So no tariffs, especially not tariffs as a way to express a temper tantrum.

If a wall gets built I will honestly make it a point to go out and knock part of it down. The wall is the stupidest thing I can even imagine.

First, it isn't going to accomplish the stated reasons for constructing it.

1 -- It'll keep drugs out.
No it won't. There is too much money being made importing drugs into the U.S.. At best it will alter the way drugs are brought in.

2 -- It'll stop human trafficking.
No it won't. At present people sometimes make the decision to enter the U.S. illegally because they want to live here instead of wherever they are from. They make a dangerous journey, sometimes they use a "coyote" but they don't always. If there is a physical barrier that prevents these women and children from just walking across, swimming across or driving across then you will be forcing these people to go to organized smugglers to get them across. You will absolutely increase human trafficking. You will create a more organized, more profitable opportunity for the gatekeepers on the other side of that wall.

3 -- I'll prevent terrorists from entering the U.S.
No, it won't. If coming across the Mexico/U.S. border is the current easiest way for terrorists to enter then they will switch to the second easiest way. But the reality is that this has not been shown to even be a legitimate concern.

If you want to cut down on illegal immigration the answer is not a wall. The answer is a much improved process for allowing the people who want to come here and who are not criminals to come here. Let them in through the front door. Vet them. If all the workers, all the refugees all the normal decent people who want to come in are allowed in legally in a relatively quick process then it makes it easier to focus resources finding the people who still don't want to use legal means to enter. It makes it much easier to assume the people entering illegally are doing so for nefarious purposes.

But that's not what people who want the wall want. They want to protect the U.S. from "those people." They don't want more of them to enter legally, they want less of them to enter altogether. The wall is not so much an actual solution to their concerns, it is an artistic representation of just how much "we" don't want "them" here. That's all the stupid ****ing wall is, just a big middle finger pointed at Mexico.
 
Bulletproof said:
I gave you my answer. Take trump out of it. My answer is the same. The idea that we're "making money" off of tariffs is flawed from the get go. It is a tax. Those things now cost the businesses that need them more, cost the consumers who use them more and so the idea that now there is this "extra" pile of money is false. I'm not in favor of tariffs in general. I'm sure you could show me specific situations where I'd grudgingly say maybe tariffs are needed, but in general I don't support tariffs. So no tariffs, especially not tariffs as a way to express a temper tantrum.

If a wall gets built I will honestly make it a point to go out and knock part of it down. The wall is the stupidest thing I can even imagine.

First, it isn't going to accomplish the stated reasons for constructing it.

1 -- It'll keep drugs out.
No it won't. There is too much money being made importing drugs into the U.S.. At best it will alter the way drugs are brought in.

2 -- It'll stop human trafficking.
No it won't. At present people sometimes make the decision to enter the U.S. illegally because they want to live here instead of wherever they are from. They make a dangerous journey, sometimes they use a "coyote" but they don't always. If there is a physical barrier that prevents these women and children from just walking across, swimming across or driving across then you will be forcing these people to go to organized smugglers to get them across. You will absolutely increase human trafficking. You will create a more organized, more profitable opportunity for the gatekeepers on the other side of that wall.

3 -- I'll prevent terrorists from entering the U.S.
No, it won't. If coming across the Mexico/U.S. border is the current easiest way for terrorists to enter then they will switch to the second easiest way. But the reality is that this has not been shown to even be a legitimate concern.

If you want to cut down on illegal immigration the answer is not a wall. The answer is a much improved process for allowing the people who want to come here and who are not criminals to come here. Let them in through the front door. Vet them. If all the workers, all the refugees all the normal decent people who want to come in are allowed in legally in a relatively quick process then it makes it easier to focus resources finding the people who still don't want to use legal means to enter. It makes it much easier to assume the people entering illegally are doing so for nefarious purposes.

But that's not what people who want the wall want. They want to protect the U.S. from "those people." They don't want more of them to enter legally, they want less of them to enter altogether. The wall is not so much an actual solution to their concerns, it is an artistic representation of just how much "we" don't want "them" here. That's all the stupid ****ing wall is, just a big middle finger pointed at Mexico.
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No dude, a tax that hurts the economy or a $6b monument to bigotry and apartheid. One or the other.
 
Alfalfa said:
No dude, a tax that hurts the economy or a $6b monument to bigotry and apartheid. One or the other.
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Okay you got me, please give me the tax and the monument to bigotry. How could I give up one just to also lose out on the other? That would be silly of me.
 
Bulletproof said:
Okay you got me, please give me the tax and the monument to bigotry. How could I give up one just to also lose out on the other? That would be silly of me.
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You still not getting it. It's one or the other. Try to be objective sometimes.
 
Alfalfa said:
You still not getting it. It's one or the other. Try to be objective sometimes.
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My blind hatred for Trump, which has been beaten into me by MSM, will not allow me to be objective. I am now just a programmed robot doing George Soro's bidding. And I won't stop until humanity has been enslaved and decent white Christians are forced to live like filthy minorities in their own country.
 
Bulletproof said:
My blind hatred for Trump, which has been beaten into me by MSM, will not allow me to be objective. I am now just a programmed robot doing George Soro's bidding. And I won't stop until humanity has been enslaved and decent white Christians are forced to live like filthy minorities in their own country.
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