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Graphic showing all NBA teams play style. Jazz is kind of weird...

Every time one or two teams are at the top of the league and play a particular way, the herds come out saying that that style of play is the key to success and you can't make it in "today's NBA" (whatever time they're referencing) unless you do ____ like the ____s. "You can't win with small ball," "nobody can keep up with them when they go small," "nobody can matchup with them when they go big," "PGs don't win you chips," "you can no longer structure around a big on offense," "live by the three and die by the three, you can't win championships relying on the three," "you can't win without having the three as a large part of your arsenal," "CORNER THREES," "3&D," "bigs shooting from the perimeter is a novelty and won't win you championships," "you can't win without some bigs who can spread the floor."

I wonder what the next truism to develop will be and perhaps we can be ahead of the curve on the next "only way to win in today's NBA" trend.
 
green said:
If I could copy a team, it would be Houston. Great transition, spacing and ball movement.

Yet we are the opposite of that. Ha ha.
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Except we crap all over Houston when we play them because we can protect the rim and hassle the three point shot. If the initial drive doesn't lead to help with a man left open, it really puts pressure on the Houston offense, because they don't play patient.
 
framer said:
Except we crap all over Houston when we play them because we can protect the rim and hassle the three point shot. If the initial drive doesn't lead to help with a man left open, it really puts pressure on the Houston offense, because they don't play patient.
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We also don't have the creator they do... Our offense is good relative to our offensive talent.

Upgrading the PF position and a 70 game season from Hill and we will be top 2 or 3 in defense and top 10 in offense... we were like 3rd and 13th this year.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
We also don't have the creator they do... Our offense is good relative to our offensive talent.

Upgrading the PF position and a 70 game season from Hill and we will be top 2 or 3 in defense and top 10 in offense... we were like 3rd and 13th this year.
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Upgrading the PF position could even just be a healthy Favors. . .
 
framer said:
Except we crap all over Houston when we play them because we can protect the rim and hassle the three point shot. If the initial drive doesn't lead to help with a man left open, it really puts pressure on the Houston offense, because they don't play patient.
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Uhhhh...that has nothing to do with how we could improve offensively. Our success against Houston is due to Gobert. It's an anomaly, not a norm.
 
infection said:
Every time one or two teams are at the top of the league and play a particular way, the herds come out saying that that style of play is the key to success and you can't make it in "today's NBA" (whatever time they're referencing) unless you do ____ like the ____s. "You can't win with small ball," "nobody can keep up with them when they go small," "nobody can matchup with them when they go big," "PGs don't win you chips," "you can no longer structure around a big on offense," "live by the three and die by the three, you can't win championships relying on the three," "you can't win without having the three as a large part of your arsenal," "CORNER THREES," "3&D," "bigs shooting from the perimeter is a novelty and won't win you championships," "you can't win without some bigs who can spread the floor."

I wonder what the next truism to develop will be and perhaps we can be ahead of the curve on the next "only way to win in today's NBA" trend.
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It's never changed: have the best player in the NBA with about 5-8 lottery picks. It's always been that way, it will always be that way.
 
green said:
It's never changed: have the best player in the NBA with about 5-8 lottery picks. It's always been that way, it will always be that way.
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Ok... Dirk was the best player in 2011? Who was the best player in 2014? 2004? Tim Duncan the best in 2007? Of course you may be using "best player in the NBA" as a descriptor for 5-6 different guys, but there are still some notable exceptions. And, of course, by virtue of winning the title, your top 10 guy is now a top 5 guy.
 
infection said:
Ok... Dirk was the best player in 2011? Who was the best player in 2014? 2004? Tim Duncan the best in 2007? Of course you may be using "best player in the NBA" as a descriptor for 5-6 different guys, but there are still some notable exceptions. And, of course, by virtue of winning the title, your top 10 guy is now a top 5 guy.
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Dirk was in the MVP race...and Dallas had 7 top 10 picks.
2014: Tim Duncan and Tony Parker received votes in the MVP race. Now, as far as top 10 picks go...they were sorely lacking those.
2004: Ben Wallace received votes for MVP. They had 6 top ten picks on that team.
2007: Tim Duncan and Tony Parker received votes for MVP. They had four lottery picks on that team.

Now, out of 70 seasons, there was the San Antonio Spurs who won titles without a ton of top 10 picks. That's it. Maybe Tim Duncan is a little under-rated, no?

Look at the last 10 title winners:

LeBron James
Steph Curry
Tim Duncan
LeBron James
LeBron James
Dirk Nowitzki
Kobe and Shaq
Kobe and Shaq
Paul Pierce, Kevin Garnett
Tim Duncan
Shaq
Tim Duncan

So....the key is a lot of top 10 picks and an all time great player. It's never changed. Even Detroit Pistons had a ton of talent on that team. They were littered with top 10 picks.

The only possible exception was Tim Duncan...and he is a top 5 player of all time.

The formula for winning a title has been the same 99% of the time: Have one of the best players of all time and a lot of top talent around them.
 
elan_prodigy said:
If he can lock down that 16ft jumper and get healthy he is perfect next to Rudy.
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I have zero faith in either. The guy has been a pro for 7 or 8 years. He is who is he is - PF/C who was a phenomenal athlete and solid all around. Never as good as we thought he might be.

He should be traded this summer while he still has some value. I would like to keep him long term as the 3rd big, but he might get $18+ a year from a team hoping all the things we have hoped the last few years.

Gobert makes Favors unnecessary.

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LoPo said:
He should be traded this summer while his value is the lowest it's ever been after the worst season of his career ]
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Selling low is always a good idea.
Next season is a contract year for favors. He has every reason to be motivated to get in the best physical condition possible and play his best.
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fishonjazz said:
Selling low is always a good idea.
Next season is a contract year for favors. He has every reason to be motivated to get in the best physical condition possible and play his best.
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Please dont change my quote to help your agenda.

Use logic - trading Favors this summer for something is better than losing him next summer for nothing. I guarantee you that some team would trade some asset for him this summer. It might not be huge, but he could be a piece of a bigger trade offer, thrown in to move up some in the draft, or something else.

I just dont see him being a good fit next to Gobert long term. Spending the money next summer to keep him would be money poorly spent.

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LoPo said:
Please dont change my quote to help your agenda.

Use logic - trading Favors this summer for something is better than losing him next summer for nothing. I guarantee you that some team would trade some asset for him this summer. It might not be huge, but he could be a piece of a bigger trade offer, thrown in to move up some in the draft, or something else.

I just dont see him being a good fit next to Gobert long term. Spending the money next summer to keep him would be money poorly spent.

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I disagree. Trading him now for next to nothing would be dumb.
 
LoPo said:
Please change my quote when it makes no sense...

Use logic - trading Favors this summer for something is better than losing him next summer for nothing. I guarantee you that some team would trade some asset for him this summer. It might not be huge, but he could be a piece of a bigger trade offer, thrown in to move up some in the draft, or something else.

I just dont see him being a good fit next to Gobert long term. Spending the money next summer to keep him would be money poorly spent.

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fishonjazz said:
I disagree. Trading him now for next to nothing would be dumb.
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fish is right.

I would only look at trading Favors if it is part of a deal that nets us a bonafide star. If we can package him with other pieces/picks etc. and bring in a Butler or something then hell yes. But just to trade him for the sake of trading him is monumentally dumb. He could shake off the injuries of this past year and become the big we need him to be. There is a strong motivation for him to perform, and frankly if he has a good first half of the season we could trade him at the trade deadline for far more than trying to flip a broken PF/C this summer. And if his woes continue we won't get any worse at the trade deadline anyway. So holding him, unless a much better deal comes along, is the smart move.
 
If he plays well, he increases his value which means he costs more. But it doesn't matter - he doesn't fit next to Gobert. He gives us great depth, but we cant win against the Warriors with them both on the floor. Its stupid to pay the money it would take to keep him if he has a great contract year.

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LoPo said:
If he plays well, he increases his value which means he costs more. But it doesn't matter - he doesn't fit next to Gobert. He gives us great depth, but we cant win against the Warriors with them both on the floor. Its stupid to pay the money it would take to keep him if he has a great contract year.

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We have played our best basketball when both Rudy and Derrick are healthy and playing together, dating back to going 19-10 after the Kanter trade. Last year they combined for like 40 missed games and this year Favors was never healthy.
 
Favors said he was 100% when interviewed after the Warriors series. Gobert played a majority of the Warriors series. They rarely played at the same time in that series. Quin didn't think he could play them together effectively.

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LoPo said:
Favors said he was 100% when interviewed after the Warriors series. Gobert played a majority of the Warriors series. They rarely played at the same time in that series. Quin didn't think he could play them together effectively.

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Favors said he was never 100% this season.
I want a link to where favors said he was 100%
 
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